Äldre inlägg (arkiv) till 2003-01-29

[Gudrun Nielsen]

31/7 1807 föddes i Ljusnedal  en son, Jacob, till Mästaren och hästskäraren Olof Nord och hans hustru Anna Maria Johansdotter. Jag är tacksam för alla upplysningar om detta par.

[Vanja Persson]

Fick i min hand ett brev i original från 1847 som handlade om flickan Märtha. Blev intresserad och fick fram att flickan måste vara MARTA LEIGH. Hon var fosterdotter i Hög (X), född 1/8 1832 och inflyttad 1837 från Ljusnedal, Jämtlands län. Enligt brevet har en Bruks Patron Engzelius skickat penningar för flickan.
 
Vet någon varför hon kom till Hälsingland som fosterdotter? Har någon uppgifter om hennes biologiska föräldrar? Har Brukspatron Engzelius någon koppling till Ljusnedal?

[Ann Bitterlin]

Skulle gärna vilja komma i kontakt med de personer som har sina rötter i nuvarande bruksvallarna dvs vars rötter var familjerna Näs, Berge, Holm. Torrberget-Gulliks. har läst boken av Järnankar och funnit bilder från Jonas Näs bror bl.a. i Bruksvallarna 300 år.

[Karl Göran Eriksson]

Släkten Näs från Bruksvallarna av Evert Wallentin (1980) kan kanske vara av intresse.

[Ann Bitterlin]

Tack för tipset! Mina Anor ligger i Näs närmare bestämt Jonas Näs, malmbrytare. Kanske vet du var jag kan få tag i boken.

[Eric Edlund]

Can someone tell me the cost of getting two birth records for Los. Ljusdal, Gävleborg, Sweden.  I understand they are from Härnösand. I sent a letter to Landsarkivet, Box 161, SE-871 24 Härnösand but did not receive a reply.

[Ingrid Hjort]

I am trying to contact the family  of Petter Larsson Hjort, fodd 11-17-1829 i Ludvika Knutsbo, in Dalarna.  Gift, Maja Greta fodd 1816 i Hanebo in Halsingland.  , dodd 5-10-1892, i Tannas Funasdalen; their children
Anna Lisa Persdotter Hjort fodd 1-25-1845
Per Gustave Hjort fodd 9-2-1849 i Ludvika
Carl Erik Persson Hjort fodd 10-29-1850 i Ludvika
Johanna Sophia Persdotter Hjort fodd 6-23-1853
Johan Ludvig Persson Hjort fodd 12-26-1854 dodd 1-5-1855  
Johan Ludvig Persson fodd 55-21-1856
Maria Lovisa Persdotter Hjort fodd 4-8-1861  
 
Per Gustave PErsson Hjort fodd 9-2-1849 gift Anna Larsdotter forr 5-18-1855 i Ljusnedal ;their children are Lars Hjort fodd 11-24-1877 i Tannas
Anna Margareta Hjort fodd 1-9-1881 i Ljusnedal  
Per Erik Hjort fodd 9-24-1883 i Ljusnedal
Johanna Sofia fodd 7-25-1887 i Ljsunedal
 Maria Hjort fodd 5-4-1891 i Ljusnedal
Karl Gustave fodd 3-28-1895 i Ljusnedal
 
Per Johan Hjort fodd 5-21-1856 gift Kerstin Olofsdotter (fodd 12-28-1856) on 6-15-1879 i Tannas
their children are:
Per Johan Hjort fodd 10-6-1879 i Tannas
Olof Hjort 2-20-1882 i Ljusnedal
Karl Erik Hjort fodd 5-19-1885 i Ljusnedal
Simon Ludvig fodd 4-23-1887 i Ljusnedal
  Son Per Johan fodd 10-6-1879 married Ingeborg Larsson(5-2-1884) in Tannas, their daughter  
Ida Kristina Hjort fodd 7-28-1903 ii Ljusnedal
  Anyone has any information on these lines and can help me locate my relatives, please contact me as soon as possible.  Tack sa mycket...melperner@yahoo.com

[Gösta Sjöberg]

Hej Jag vore tacksam för lite uppgifter om Johanna Wiklund född i Ljusnedal 1897-98. Jag vet bara att hennes far var född i Fryksände Värmland och att hon hade 2 syskon Johan och Brita. Brita senare gift Einarsson. Johanna flyttade till Norge och gifte sig med Ola Jensvold. Alla uppgifter av stort värde för vidare forskning.

[Wade Anderson]

I seek ancestors and more information about Ola Halvorsen (Ole Halvarsen?), born 1777 (Bygdebok for Meråker, Nord-Trøndelag: meslinger Sverige), married 1807 to Sollaug Eriksdatter, born 1782 at Meråker. Ola died 06 Aug 1862 at Meråker. Child: Ingeborg Olsdatter, born 1807 at Meråker. Any help appreciated to help me find this distant, direct ancestor of mine.
Wade Anderson, USA

[Nils Hård af Segerstad]

Är det någon som följt barnen till brukspatron Per Wiklund (1794-1870) på Ljusnedals bruk?
Han hade bla sönerna Jon Anders, Abraham Zacharias och Per Marcus.

[Karl Göran Eriksson]

Ola Halvorsen was born 12/4/1777 at Bruksvallarna in Ljusnedal by the tailor Halvar Eriksson and his wife Ingeborg Olofsdotter. The parents later moved to Messlingen, then to Stuesjö in Tydal parish [Norway]. They returned to Sweden and settled at Ljungdalen in Storsjö parish.

[Bo Johansson]

Ola Halvorsen born 12 Apr 1777, or 4 Dec 1777?
 
// Bo Johansson

[Wade Anderson]

Karl, great, thank you very much! Ola is a 4th g-grandfather of mine. Based on the info you kindly provided, I've looked at the 1801 Norway census; this may be Halvar & Ingeborg:
 
parish S?lbo (Selbu), subparish Tydahl (Tydal), farm Stuedalen. Halvor Erikssen, Head, age 64, married, Master craftsman; Ingebor Olsdtr, Wife, age 55, married; Erik Halvorssen, age 13, child of Head.
 
I could not find Ola in the census, at least not yet.
 
Might you have any further information about Halvar & Ingeborg? Based on the census, they were born ca. 1737 and 1746? Is it a safe guess that Halvar's father was Erik, and Ingeborg's father Olof?
 
Thanks also to Bo - a good question, Dec 4 or Apr 12?
 
Thank you once again!
 
Wade

[Stefan Jansson]

Hi Wade
 
Here are some additional information about Halvar and Ingeborg. Ingeborg is sometimes called Ingeborg Olsdotter Holm from Ljusnedal and should in that case have these parents, although I do not have any direct information about it. Some parents are not for certain and not all data are from primary sources but from e g Gredanders book Storsjö socken and Järnankars book Gruvarbetare... and should be treated accordingly
 
Stefan Jansson
 
 
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1. Olof Halvarsson
 
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2. Halvar Eriksson (1737 - )
Married 19 June 1774 in Ljusnedal to
 
3. Ingeborg Olofsdotter Holm (ca. 1746 - )
 
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4. Erik Halvarsson (1690 - 1789)
From Tydal. Moved 1742 from Storsjö to Ljungdalen, and 1749 to Messlingen. Married to
 
5. Märet Olofsdotter  
 
 
6. Olof Jonsson Holm  (1711 - 13/4 1800)
Lived in Ljusnedal. Married about 1740 to
 
7. Gertrud Larsdotter (1713 - 1799)
 
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10. Olof Evensson (ca. 1660 - 1718)
Lived in Östgården, Ljungdalen. Married ca. 1713 to
 
11. Anna Jonsdotter (1678 - 1764)
 
 
12. Jon Svensson Holm (1678 - 1751)
Kolare at Ljusnedal. Married 1704 to
 
13. Anna Persdotter (1682 -  5/5 1763)
Probably from Oviken, Jämtland
 
 
14. Lars Mårtensson ( - bef. 1727)
From Jämtland, lived in Stenstorpet, Bruksvallarna and in Buskan, Funäsdalen. Married to
 
15. Törin Olofsdotter Busk (1676 - 1/7 1763)
 
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(20. Perhaps Even Olofsson
Lived in Ljungdalen)
 
 
(22. Perhaps Jon Staffansson ( - )
Apparently from Ingland, Åre, Jämtland. Röstvändare at Ljusnedals bruk. Married to
 
23. Agneta Persdotter ( - )
 
 
24. Sven Olofsson Holm (about 1635 - 1710)
Kolare at Ljusnedal
 
 
30. Olof Olofsson Busk
Lived in Buskan, Funäsdalen.
 
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60. Olof Ingebrigtsson Busk  
Lived in Buskan, Funäsdalen. Married to
 
61. Törin Jonsdotter
 
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120. Ingebrigt Olofsson Busk (bef. 1600-)
Lived in Buskan, Funäsdalen.

[Wade Anderson]

Stefan,
Thank you very much! I had no idea I could be so lucky. Most of my research about my Swedish ancestors has been in Agunnaryd, Glimåkra, and Misterhult. So this area near my Norwegian ancestors is a new one for me. Excuse me, therefore, when I am not yet familiar with its locales and sources. I appreciate your naming the sources, however, very much! Some questions, if I might:
 
Erik Halvarsson (1690-1789) From Tydal. Moved 1742 from Storsjö to Ljungdalen, and 1749 to Messlingen.
 
Tydal = Tydal, S?r-Tr?ndelag, Norway?
 
Messlingen = Mässlinge (or, Messlinge), created in 1680s, since 1757 called Ljusnedal?
 
Kolare at Ljusnedal.
Is Kolare a farm or some other type of locale?
 
Thanks again!

[Karl Göran Eriksson]

Correction: Stuesjö should of course be Stuedal.
Customary in writing english dates you put the month first, then the day. I.e. in this case consequently Dec. 4th 1777.
 
I find it plausible that Ingeborg Olofsdotter's father was Olof Jonsson Holm. But in what sources is she sometimes called Holm ?
 
According to the population register (mantalslängd) of 1743 Erik Halvarsson, then at Ljungdalen, was born in Norway.  
His first wife, and mother to his children, was not Märet Olofsdotter. Protocol from the district court of Hede in 1753 names his former wife as Anna Persdotter. She was probably from Storsjö as the guardians of her children was from there.

[Bo Johansson]

Wade:
 
Kolare is one who makes charcoal, röstvändare is also some kind of worker at the iron works.
 
// Bo Johansson

[Stefan Jansson]

Hi again
 
I have myself never seen Ingeborg Olofsdotter named Holm in a primary source, that is why I am uncertain about it. The only obvious connection I know to the Holm family is at the christening of Olof Persson (born 29/5 1777 in Funäsdalen) when she apparently is mentioned (Ingeborg Olofsdotter på Wallarna) together with her presumed brother (Jon Olofsson på bruket). Olofs mother was Märet Olofsdotter which I also believe is from the Holm family, although Märets mother is named Gertrud Olofsdotter rather than Larsdotter in her birth record.  
 
Märet Olofsdotter as the mother to Halvars children is only from a secondary source, so Karl Görans information about Anna Persdotter is of course a much more likely to be true.  
 
Messlingen was created in the 1670s and is a different village than Ljusnedal but the mine in Ljusnedal area was first called Messlinge gruva?, Hans Olofsson Blix from Messlingen was the one that got credit for finding the ore.

[Pirkko Lencker-Mattsson]

Wade!
Some information from a book Messlingen-byn vid vägens ände 1990:
Halvards/Halvors father was Erik Halvorssen, born 1690. He moved 1742 from Halvårdsgården, Ås, Tydalen, Norway to Ljungdalen with his wife Märet Olofsdotter and 3 children: Halvard born 1737, Anna born 1740 and Olov born 1741. They bought for 70 Silver daler Märets parents, Olof Olofsson and Anna Jönsdotter, farmyard. They got a son Per 1745.
1751 Erik remarried Gertrud Jonsdotter, born 1704 in Messlingen. Erik died 2.5.1789 in Messlingen.
Halvard/Halvor and his wife Ingeborg Olofsdotter from Ljusnedal mover first to Lövkläppen and later to Stuggudal in Norway where they lived with a daughter and her husband.
Olov married Karin Jonasdotter Flygare from Långa and stayed in Messlingen. Anna married Jon Månsson in Funäsdalen and Per moved to a uncle in Tydalen.
If the information Stefan Jansson has given about the family of Ingeborg Olofsdotter you are related with my husband Hans Mattsson through Olof Ingebriktsson Busk who died 1685 in Funäsdalen.
My best wishes
Pirkko Lencker-Mattsson

[Stefan Jansson]

Hi
 
One more detail: Olof seems to be son of Märet (not Anna) since he probably was born in 1747. In his death record (he died 20/12 1787) it is mentioned that his age is 40, and year of birth 1747.
 
Stefan

[Karl Göran Eriksson]

Olof Holm had a daughter Karin who lived at Funäsdalen. At the baptizing of her child in january 1781 I found that both Halvar Eriksson and wife Ingeborg Olsdotter Holm were witnesses. Obviously it seems that Ingeborg also was one of Olof Holm's several children.
 
That Halvar Eriksson's mother was Anna Persdotter is not only confirmed by the source mentioned above. His eldest daughter was baptized Anna !
 
Olof Holm's mother Anna Persdotter was daughter of farmer Per Eriksson (1640-1716) and Ramborg Jonsdotter (1651-1719) at Västnår # 1 in Oviken parish.
 
Sven Olofsson Holm is called lathe operator at the mill (Brukz Swarfware) in 1692 according to court protocole.

[Pirkko Lencker-Mattsson]

Karl Göran!
Något helt annat som inte har ovanstående diskussion att göra men däremot Lövkläppen. Eftersom Du vet i stort sett allt om Jämtland och Härjedalen kan Du kanske spåra ättlingar till Ingeborg Halvarsdotter född 15.9.1829 och Jon Jönsson född 18.1.1831. Vi har i vårt ägo Nya Testamentet, tryckt 1844 med uppgift om dem och deras barn. Lövkläppen och Henådalen nämns. Någon som tillhör släkten kan gärna få boken.
Hälsningar
Pirkko

[Wade Anderson]

Pirkko, et. al.,  
My warm regards to you and Hans!
 
I'm very grateful for all the information! I am going through it now to make sure I have it all straight in my head.
 
Thanks again to all of you! More later.
 
Wade

[Wade Anderson]

Hello again Stefan, Karl, Bo, and Pirrko!
 
Interesting to see Pirrko's note about the death year of Erik Halvorsson - he lived nearly 100 years!
 
Karl was quite correct, I read the date of 12/4 as December 4, but I thought I'd better check. Why Americans understand dates in this way, and this way only, I don't know.
 
Based on all of your help, I have since known where to look in Norwegian records for more info about Erik Halvorsson. I do not know what it all means yet, but maybe this will be interesting for you to see.
 
Ås Nordre (Halvorsgarden), g.nr. 172, b.nr. 1, Tydal Book 3, Pages 346-348:
 
Erik f. 1690. Han skal ha drevet garden fra omkring 1718 og noen år fremover, til han overlot bruket til broren Ole. Erik flyttet av ukjente årsaker med familien til Metlingen i Sverige.
 
Kona til Erik skal ha hett Anne Pedersdtr., og familien flyttet som nevnt til Metlingen i Herjedalen, Sverige. Vi vet at de hadde s?nnen:
 
1. Halvor (ca. 1737-1818), g.m. Ingeborg Olsdtr. (ca. 1748-1837) (ukjent opprinnelse). De kom tilbake til Tydal og bodde hos dattera på Stuedal ?vre ved folketellinga i 1801. Halvor drev som skredder. Ingeborg og Halvor hadde disse barna som vi vet om:
a. Anne (ca. 1775-1821), g.m. Peder Olsen Stuedal (1773-1822), se Stuedal ?vre.
b. Ole (1777-1862), g.m. Sollaug Eriksdtr. T?mmerås (1782-1877) fra Meråker. Bosatt på T?mmeråsmo 34/3 i Meråker.
c. Gjertrud (ca. 1778-1857), g. 1. gang m. Ole Andersen (Tronset) (1759-1813) fra Selbu. Bosatt på Litj-Evjtr?a (Ner Litjtr?a) i Selbu. Gjertrud ble g. 2. gang m. enkemann Reier Andersen (1766-1833) fra Framistoggo Kolsetmoen i Selbu.
d. Erik f. ca. 1788, g.m. Kari Jonsdtr. Mebost (1782-1853) fra Selbu. Bosatt i Kallarstr?a 92/4 i Selbu. I tillegg er det trolig at Erik og Anne hadde dattera:
2. Ingeborg (ca. 1732-1818), g.m. Knut Knutsen (ca.1737-1818) fra Bakken i Flora, Selbu. Hans mor var Beret Olsdtr. (ca. 1700-1782) fra Fossan. Ingeborg og Knut bodde på Nordigarden Tuset i Flora og hadde barna:
a. Sakarias (1763-1793). Med Kari Olsdtr. (ca. 1764-1854) fra Brendåsen (Vestre) hadde han dattera: Ingeborg (1786-1865), g.m. Ingebrigt Ingebrigtsen Nessmelan (ca. 1780-1856), bosatt på Melan 116/3 i Flora.
b. Jon (1766-1810), g.m. Ingeborg Jonsdtr. Almås (ca. 1764-1834) fra Alen. Hennes far var muligens den Jon Halvorsen som var notert som inderst på L?v?ya ved manntallet i 1762. Jon og Ingeborg bodde på Nordigarden Tuset i Flora.
 
Erik var bruker av garden ved skadetaksten etter Armfeldt-h?rens ?deleggelser ved juletider 1718. I Halvorsgarden slaktet svenskene I ku og 6 sauer. En såpass stor gard må ha hatt flere dyr, og årsaken til at ikke flere ble slaktet var kanskje at de rakk å f?re en del av kr?ttera til skogs f?r svenskene kom. For?vrig tok svenskene I hest, 6 t?nner havre, 14 lass h?y og en del kl?r. I tillegg ble en del redskaper brent eller ?delagt. Skadene ble taksert til 43 riksdaler og 2 ort. Det var ikke snakk om å få noen erstatning for skadene, bare 2 års skattefritak.
 
Bonden var dermed ruinert, og han måtte i likhet med de fleste andre b?ndene i bygda selge gardparten sin til godseiere i Trondheim, som var interessert i å få t?mmer fra Tydal til sagbruka sine. Prestebolet beholdt som f?r sin halvpart. Dermed var bonden blitt leilending helt ut. Matrikkeloppgavene i 1723 viser at garden nå hadde I hest, 9 storfe og 11 småfe. Uts?den var på I t?nne bygg, og normal h?yavling var 66 lass.

[Wade Anderson]

Hello Karl Göran,
 
Regarding Ola Halvorsen born 12/4/1777 at Bruksvallarna in Ljusnedal, I've shared this info with some relatives and one was curious as to the source of his birth information. Would this have come from the works of Lewi Gredander, or perhaps Frans Järnankar?
 
Thanks again,
 
Wade

[Karl Göran Eriksson]

I mainly work with primary sources, either as originals or copies (micro fiche/xerox). In this case the information is taken from the church book, page 85 of Ljusnedal C:1 [Micro fiche # 70801 from SVAR, a branch of the Swedish National Archives] which contains births, marriages and deaths from 1749 to the end of 1792.

[Adrian Ostlund]

Blix from Mässlingen
I have an ancester named Emerentia Hansdotter Blix,born 1680 in Mässlingen. I find information that Hans Olofsson Blix, son of the pastor in Hede was one of the first settlers in the Mässlingen area. Could Hans be the father of Emerentia?

[Christer Kalin]

According to the book Storsjö socken. Arvet från ödegårdsmännen by Lewi Gredander, Hans Olofsson Blix had a daughter Emerentia Hansdotter, born 1680, married to Ingebrekt Hansson Busk.

[Pirkko Lencker-Mattsson]

I have no sure information about the age of my husbunds ancester Emerentia Hansdotter Blix but if Yours was married to Ingebrekt Hansson Busk then I can confirm with documents that she was the daughter of Hans Olofsson Blix. Her brother Jon and Ingebrekt met severel times at court discussing the inheritance.
Because of all the tales about Busk family having murded people in the mountins and digging up silver from Viking graves I just wanted to find something to confirm these tales. So far I have not. Has anybody else?

[Adrian Ostlund]

Thank you Christer and Pirkko for the information on Emerentia and Ingebrikt. I am descended from their son Per Ingebriktsson. If anyone has any more details on these families it would be appreciated.
Also, does anyone have any information on Sven Ingebriktsson born 1689 in Funasdalen?