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Meddelanden - David Carlson
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« skrivet: 2020-08-30, 04:13 »
Thank you very much for the translation. Much more like an obituary but it confirms and expands on the information I saw elsewhere but without reference. I wish more priests took the time to provide such detailed histories of people lives.
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« skrivet: 2020-08-29, 19:47 »
Can someone translate the details of Simon Jacobsson's death record from 28 Jan 1713? There is a lot of details there some of which I have seen in various trees. Thanks.
Forshem (R) C:2 (1710-1750) Image 195 / Page 377 (AID: v16104.b195.s377, NAD: SE/GLA/13120)
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« skrivet: 2020-07-13, 04:42 »
Thanks for all the help on Johannes. I have followed him and his descendants a bit and found there were not large numbers of them for various reasons and none leading to a DNA match yet but I have found that by creating a descendent tree amazing things sometimes happen, especially on AncestryDNA.
So back to the original mystery of Johan. And thoughts on where I might find him in some military record?
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« skrivet: 2020-07-11, 17:39 »
Thanks for the information and history lesson.
AI:3/229 gives the location as Hosby (Hofby). That is not a standard name (per FamilySearch) in the parish. Do you know the standard name or should I just use Hosby? Thanks.
I have decided to assume this is my ancestor and added him to my tree but I haven't found any DNA matches.
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« skrivet: 2020-07-11, 00:21 »
Now back from vacation. On the AI:3 page 229 above his name it says something Lifgr No 17 o 18. Is Lifgr the abbreviation for soldier belonging to the grenadiers? And the number of his military unit? If so, where can I find him in the military to confirm this is the same person?
I see him on AI:2 page 297 as Johannes Sandgren (this last name is crossed out on AI:3/229). I can't read where it says he came from in 1810. Looks like Lands something.
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« skrivet: 2020-07-02, 16:35 »
That sounds strange. It appears he is in the military in some capacity but I can't tell what he was doing. Thoughts?
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« skrivet: 2020-07-02, 01:51 »
I see that Johannes came from Rävsala. Västra Eneby (E) AI:10 (1846-1851) Image 252 / Page 244 (AID: v27161.b252.s244, NAD: SE/VALA/00445). He is with his daughter Brita Stina born in 33.
What does it say above his name on this page? In 1841 he was at: Västra Eneby (E) AI:9 (1841-1845) Image 262 / Page 253 (AID: v27160.b262.s253, NAD: SE/VALA/00445). Married on 20 Feb 1813, Västra Eneby (E) C:3 (1809-1829) Image 13 / Page 680 (AID: v42165a.b13.s680, NAD: SE/VALA/00445). I see him at: Västra Eneby (E) AI:3 (1811-1815) Image 238 / Page 229 (AID: v27154.b238.s229, NAD: SE/VALA/00445) at the bottom of the page with the Norrbom name but still not with Carlsson. I can't find him before that.
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« skrivet: 2020-07-02, 00:59 »
Thanks.
What are the letters before his name? What do they mean? Where did he come from? I can't read it. I believe it says the first 2 children are hers and the later one is their son.
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« skrivet: 2020-07-02, 00:12 »
I will check in the Landskrona records.
Are you sure she was in Kjölaforsstugan Kisa Parish? There is no place with a name similar to that in the familysearch wiki on the Parish.
Also, Johannes Carlsson, her son, shows up on Västra-Eneby-AI-2-1805-1810-Image-199-page-383 but I can't figure out what happened to him. His name is crossed out but so is where he went. And there is no indication that he died. Any thoughts?
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« skrivet: 2020-07-01, 23:02 »
This is a bit complicated. In Västra-Eneby-AI-1-1797-1803-Image-103-page-195 the family is together. Maja has no new children with Gabriel but has Johannes and three others? Johanna, Sara, and Maria. Do you believe this Johanna is different from the one shown in AI:2? Sara (Stina) is my ancestor. What is the word to the left of Johanna?
BTW, I found Johannes birth record in Kisa which is out of wedlock. He is Johannes Carlsson per later records.
I agree with the German sound to the father's name but I still don't know how to find him or his death.
Why do you believe that Maja/Maria was living in Kjölaforsstugan since 1788?
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« skrivet: 2020-07-01, 19:51 »
Thanks. That's very helpful. Landskrona stadsförsamlings kyrkoarkiv, Födelse- och dopböcker, SE/LLA/13241/C I/5 (1769-1790), bildid: C0066929_00208, sida 198 shows the marriage of Johan Peter Wahlgern and Maria Pehrsdotter. There is a daughter Johanna Johansdotter in 1778 based on Västra Eneby kyrkoarkiv, Husförhörslängder, SE/VALA/00445/A I/4 (1816-1820), bildid: C0019182_00123, sida 114. So maybe Johan Wahlgren is Johan Voltenveber? Thoughts? I could not find Johanna's birth in Landskrona.
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« skrivet: 2020-07-01, 00:02 »
Back in 2015 I obtained some basic information on Johan and with access to AD now, I would like to find him in the military records but need help on where to look.
Background: He is mentioned in the birth of his daughter Sara Stina as Corporal Voltenveber on 7 Feb 1782 in Norra Vi. The records says the parents are from Karlskrona. Corporal John Vulsräder is the father of Sara Stina Johansdotter in 1806 at her wedding in Västra-Eneby. There is a cryptic note on Geni.com "Voltenveber kommer från någon plats i Belgien som inte ännu kunnat utredas Korpral Voltenveber tjänstgjorde vid flottan i Karlskrona och var stamanställd källa"
Since he is a Corporal, I would expect him to be in the land forces but all that I see in Karlskrona are naval forces. And, they do not have Corporals.
Any ideas on which documents I should search?
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« skrivet: 2018-03-18, 23:27 »
Thanks.
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« skrivet: 2018-03-18, 22:07 »
Thanks. What do you mean by Attest? Is that the date they left? That is strange as the marriage date is 25 Apr 1849 per Hägerstad CI:3 (1846-1860) Bild 33 / sid 235 (AID: v37884.b33.s235, NAD: SE/VALA/00151). I guess they were together in Oppeby before the marriage, left there together for America and stopped on the way at her parents house to get married.
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« skrivet: 2018-03-17, 23:47 »
Kristina, thanks for the information. Looks like she made it to America only to have her husband died shortly thereafter. He might even have got sick on the boat. I can't find a record of him making it to America though. She probably had to work for two years to get the money to return.
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« skrivet: 2018-03-17, 22:35 »
That is interesting. Can you tell where he lived? It looks like Ulasby to me but I can't find such a place. And, I can't find them leaving for North America together.
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« skrivet: 2018-03-17, 13:55 »
Thanks again Leif.
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« skrivet: 2018-03-16, 16:17 »
In Hägerstad (E) AI:11 (1851-1855) Image 130 / page 239 (AID: v26027.b130.s239, NAD: SE/VALA/00151) my 2nd great-grandmother came back home after being in North America for a couple of years. It says she was married 9 Aug 1849 and returned in 1851. There are notes that indicate she is a widow and I can see the word Cholera in there but can't read the rest of the note. Can someone help translate? I am hoping for a clue as to where she was in America but we will see. Thanks.
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« skrivet: 2018-02-19, 00:30 »
Guess that makes sense. And, he is forever recorded as being born in Älghult, even though he wasn't. I made a note about the mistake in my tree. Thanks.
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« skrivet: 2018-02-18, 23:24 »
Can you find the birth record for Jon Gustaf Dahlgren born 4 Jul 1857 in Älghult? That is his birth date in all records but when I go to Älghult (G) C:5 (1831-1860) Image 258 / page 499 (AID: v29841.b258.s499, NAD: SE/VALA/00469), I don't find his birth. Thanks.
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« skrivet: 2018-02-18, 14:05 »
Thank you both very much for your help. Based on one little clue I was able to link up a DNA match to my tree after trying for some time, and, I did that when I was looking at something else in my tree. Aurora's brother, Jon Gustaf Dahlgren came to America and created a new branch of my tree.
Jon Gustaf was a Färgare, which is a dyer or stainer per familysearch.org. I assume he stained wood or dyed (colored) other materials. He was listed as such for most of his life.
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« skrivet: 2018-02-17, 16:15 »
I found the marriage of her Aurora's parents in Kättilstad (E) CI:5 (1828-1860) Image 203 / page 395 (AID: v38647.b203.s395, NAD: SE/VALA/00209). It says she is from Walla but I do not see her listed in Kättilstad (E) AI:15 (1856-1860) Image 242 / page 229 (AID: v24994.b242.s229, NAD: SE/VALA/00209). I see Nils Rylander on 242/229 but not her. And, I have Nils family and there is no Christina. Thoughts? What is a bondedotter? Thanks.
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« skrivet: 2018-02-17, 15:44 »
Leif, sorry to say I am having trouble finding Aurora and her family in the Virserum books in 1850-56. The birth record says the parents are from Ösjögle but when I look in Virserum (F, H, G) AI:9b (1850-1856) Image 6 (AID: v20254.b6, NAD: SE/VALA/00423) starting at page 647 I can't see them. Can you help again? Thanks.
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« skrivet: 2018-02-17, 13:45 »
Leif, thanks for helping me again. I knew there must be an index somewhere but the usual ones at the beginning and end of the books were missing. It was interesting that the index is only somewhat in alphabetic order as well as having multiple people with the same name since it is such a large city. I finally have her death date, which of course matched what Ancestry had but could not find until I put in the exact date. Thanks for the lead on Aurora Carolina. That seems to be a different branch of the Rylander family.
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« skrivet: 2018-02-16, 22:11 »
It appears that the books were reorganized between these years. My 4th great aunt Maria Wibom (listed by second husband's last name of Kinnander) born 5 Jan 1803 is shown on line 1 of: Linköpings domkyrkoförsamling (E) AI:68 (1876-1880) Image 145 (AID: v25724.b145, NAD: SE/VALA/00222). She is listed at No. 37. I can't trace her to the next book as the organization has changed. Can someone help me? I am trying to find when and where she died as well as learning how to make the leap between these books.
Also, an Aurora Carolina Elisabeth Dahlgren, born 13 Jun 1851 is listed below her with some notation in front of her name. What does it say/mean? It is a bit clearer in Linköpings domkyrkoförsamling (E) AI:64 (1871-1875) Image 154 (AID: v25643.b154, NAD: SE/VALA/00222). Can you also tell where she was born? Where did she arrive from? While Aurora may not be my ancestor, it may help me explain a DNA match that currently does not make sense as Dahlgren is in common with both.
Thanks.
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« skrivet: 2018-01-25, 16:19 »
Thank you for the information.
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« skrivet: 2017-09-10, 23:26 »
My 3rd great aunt, Elsa Jönsdotter, was born 15 Nov 1846 in Hosaby, Mjällby to Jöns Svensson (20 Feb 1814 to 13 Apr 1888) and Malena Jönsdotter. On 4 May 1869 she departed the parish for America. I am pretty certain that she left Göteborg on 28 May 1869 for Hull, England. Per this record she was going to Chicago. In 1870, I find an Elsie Johnson in Union Grove, Whiteside County, Illinois age 22 (implying she was born in 1848). In 1872, she married John Rhymers (Jöns Reimer from Hästveda, Skåne). They are still in Union Grove in the 1880 census and Elsie is listed as Elsa Rhymers. In that same year, my great-grandfather (Elsa Jönsdotter's aunt) arrived in America. The first location I have for him is in 1887 when he is married in a town 20 KM from Union Grove. In 1883, she moves with her family to Minnesota. I want to confirm that Elsa and Elsie/Elsa are the same person via some written record. I have seen before where the father's papers available upon his death indicate something about their children and where they are. How is this found? Can someone find the papers for Jöns Svensson and see if it says that she is in Minnesota and married to John Rhymers? Thanks.
[/size]By the way, I also believe this is true as it would explain my DNA relationship to one of Elsa's descendants.
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« skrivet: 2015-10-01, 22:49 »
Thank you very much.
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« skrivet: 2015-10-01, 20:58 »
I see we found the same thing. Any thoughts on Maria Stina and the marriage? Thanks.
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« skrivet: 2015-10-01, 20:57 »
Thanks. Vårdsberg AI:2 (1806-1815) Image 118 / page 220 (AID: v27233.b118.s220, NAD: SE/VALA/00436) has him with Anna Cajsa and Christina Margaretha having arrived in 1810. This indicates the death in 1808 was not Christiana, maybe it was Pehr. Found his death record on 2 Dec 1808. So, only Maria Stina born in 1796 is missing and it is a bit early for her to leave on her own. Thoughts?
I see them leaving on C:4 227/443 line 55 for St. Lars.
Any thoughts on the missing marriage?
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« skrivet: 2015-10-01, 18:17 »
Thanks.
Landeryd AI:2 (1806-1811) Image 18 / page 22 (AID: v25095.b18.s22, NAD: SE/VALA/00212) has the family until 1810 (I believe) with Isac's first wife Stina Jonsdotter dying in 1808. He is left with 3 children Maria Stina, Pehr, and Anna Caja (my ancestor) with Christina Margaretha having died in 1805. It is not clear where he move in 1810 as he does not arrive in Linkopings until 1811. Can you read the note on where they moved? In S:t Lars AI:5, only Anna Casja is with him so either he left them with someone else or they died as they are too young to go out on their own.
I have Isac from AI:5 to his death in 1844. I cannot see where Isac and Cajsa ever married. Linköpings S:t Lars AI:9 (1826-1830) Image 127 / page 118 (AID: v25922.b127.s118, NAD: SE/VALA/00223) is the next survey with them. Seems kind of strange.
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« skrivet: 2015-10-01, 05:50 »
Thanks, that helped a lot. For your eye test can you figure out what is in the notes column for Isac and Cajsa on Linköpings S:t Lars AI:7 (1819-1825) Image 77 / page 71 (AID: v25920.b77.s71, NAD: SE/VALA/00223)? Part of it says that Anders Svensson was her husband, who I presume died, which is why she moved here. Something about 1818. It appears that they get married but I can't find a date or record that it actually happened. In the 1836 and 1830 (Linköpings S:t Lars AI:13 (1836-1840) Image 128 / page 120 (AID: v25926.b128.s120, NAD: SE/VALA/00223)) records it says they were married in 1813 but that makes no sense as she married Anders then (actually 17 Jun 1814). Thanks for any help, this seems very confusing.
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« skrivet: 2015-10-01, 00:05 »
I am trying to track my ancestor Isac Abrahamsson backward from his death in 1844. In Linköpings S:t Lars AI:14 (1836-1840) Image 36 / page 28 (AID: v25927.b36.s28, NAD: SE/VALA/00223) he is located in Fattighuset Berga but there is no such place in 1830-1835. Where would I find him? Also, the column labelled Beshed N:o says 66, for his wife Cajsa Nilsdotter, what does that mean? Thanks.
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« skrivet: 2015-09-30, 17:41 »
Voltenveber. How do I find him in military records without looking page by page? There are an enormous number of records for Karlskrona where the birth record says he was based. Thanks.
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« skrivet: 2015-09-29, 22:07 »
Thanks. I still can't find the father under either name. Any suggestions or records I should search?
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« skrivet: 2015-09-29, 19:15 »
I could not find Johanna in Kisa or Maja elsewhere in marriage records, but low priority so I will leave it at that.
Found Sara Stina with varying birth locations and birth years but pretty clear it is the same person until she moves to Hagerstad after her marriage. At that point, dates and location are correct, which makes sense as she and her husband were born on the same day near one another.
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« skrivet: 2015-09-29, 18:06 »
Thanks for the help and suggestions, I will see what I can find. You are correct on the Corporal, my mistake. I see what you mean about the name. It is spelled different from the birth record: Norra Vi C:4 (1781-1861) Image 38 / page 36 (AID: v39277.b38.s36, NAD: SE/VALA/00268). Does it make any sense that he would change it or is it more likely that the priest entering the data spelled it differently?
BTW, tailor is the English spelling of the word for someone who works on mending/making clothes. Taylor is normally used in someone's name.
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« skrivet: 2015-09-29, 05:25 »
I do not know how you found him on page 380, but it is the same person who now for the first time has a last name as his birth record does not mention a father: Kisa C:3 (1733-1803) Image 1850 / page 359 (AID: v38138a.b1850.s359, NAD: SE/VALA/00183). So Johanna just happened to be on the farm.
Do you have any idea what following the tailor means?
Västra Eneby AI:1 (1797-1803) Image 103 / page 195 (AID: v27152.b103.s195, NAD: SE/VALA/00445) has the family. Can you make out what is in front of the father Gabriel's name? Any thoughts on what might have happened to the daughter Maja as she vanishes between the two census reports? Any guesses as to where the other two daughters went?
I believe this is the Sara who ended up in Hagerstad after she was married in Vastra Eneby on 24 Aug 1806 (where it said she was from Slyckelund, which is where she is in this census, even though she is not there in 1806 when she was married). This and the birth year being off by two years and the where she was born is not correct, makes me wonder if I have the correct Sara and hence mother. Could it be that Colonel Voltenveber, her father, was stationed here and they are not in the census? The marriage is at: Västra Eneby C:2 (1733-1808) Image 240 / page 507 (AID: v42164.b240.s507, NAD: SE/VALA/00445). I know this is a bit complicated but let me know your thoughts.
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« skrivet: 2015-09-29, 02:06 »
I am trying to track my ancestor, who seems to have had a number of illegitimate children. One of them, Johannes (along with mother and husband she married years later) is on Västra Eneby AI:2 (1805-1810) Image 137 / page 259 (AID: v27153.b137.s259, NAD: SE/VALA/00445). It appears he marries Johanna Johannesdotter in 1811 with a son in 1807 but there are a lot of notations that I do not understand all over the lines. Can someone help translate and explain it to me. Thanks.
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« skrivet: 2015-09-29, 01:58 »
Thanks.
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« skrivet: 2015-09-28, 16:18 »
Thanks for trying, I was afraid we would not find anything here.
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« skrivet: 2015-09-26, 04:33 »
Leif, can you or someone look at my post on the Atvid forum that has been sitting unanswered for a few days? Thanks.
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« skrivet: 2015-09-25, 22:43 »
Thanks.
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« skrivet: 2015-09-25, 00:06 »
I am trying to find my ancestor Brtia Persdotter. Per the household surveys she was born in Atvid in 1766. The mostly birth in 1766 is Åtvid CI:3 (1745-1791) Image 112 / page 377 (AID: v42523.b112.s377, NAD: SE/VALA/00468), which has a birth of Brita to what I believe is Pettor Erikssson an Elisabeth Ericsdotter on 6 Oct 1766. Would someone born to a Pettor go by Persdotter? Or am I misreading the birth record? If this does not make sense, do you see any others that might match? Thanks.
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« skrivet: 2015-09-23, 18:06 »
Based on Vårdnäs-AI-1-1781-1790-Image-109-page-187, it appears my ancestor Lisken Eriksdotter was born in Skieda c1733. I assume Skeda is the correct parish. The only possible birth record I found is at Skeda C:1 (1640-1753) Image 14 / page 17 (AID: v40118.b14.s17, NAD: SE/VALA/00330) which has the birth of Elisabeth on 20 May but the text is almost illegible. Can someone try to read it for me to see if this might be her? I do not see an Erik in the text but ... There is another Elisabeth in 1734 but I can't confirm that either. Thanks.
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« skrivet: 2015-09-21, 14:35 »
Ok, thanks.
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« skrivet: 2015-09-20, 22:25 »
Seems strange as Ola's wife was Bengta Mansdotter with whom I have found he had many children between 1743, when they were married, until 1765. Do you think it might be an error in the record? Ola's father died in 1748.
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« skrivet: 2015-09-20, 17:56 »
Mjällby CI:3 (1771-1800) Image 121 / page 229 (AID: v96436.b121.s229, NAD: SE/LLA/13269) appears to have the death of Elna Olasdotter, age 80, on 14 Mar 1774 with Ola Åkesson attending. Is it reasonable to assume that this is his mother? He was born around 1706. Thanks.
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« skrivet: 2015-09-07, 16:39 »
Thanks for your help.
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« skrivet: 2015-09-07, 01:07 »
I found him in Jamshog. Thanks.
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« skrivet: 2015-09-06, 23:13 »
Two of my distant cousins, both name Per Persson, are listed on Mörrum AIIa:1 (1895-1906) Image 4620 / page 457 (AID: v249470.b4620.s457, NAD: SE/LLA/13275) but I can't figure out where they went to in after that to find out when/where they died as the next book is reorganized. Thanks for any help you can provide.
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« skrivet: 2015-09-06, 23:10 »
Kristina, thanks for correcting the death year.
Lief Lundkvist, thanks for the translation and added information.
Lief Gustafsson, thanks for pointing me to the exact record in Mörrum. Inga was born in Mörrum, and I see she died there as well.
Can you make out where Olof went on 25 Feb 1893? I found him in the moving out records but that did not help either. Mörrum B:3 (1872-1894) Image 85 (AID: v96471.b85, NAD: SE/LLA/13275)
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« skrivet: 2015-09-06, 19:06 »
I was tracing my ancestors in Skorsemo, Sweden through the 1876 to 1881 census. Gammalstorp AI:23 (1876-1881) Image 57 / page 51 (AID: v95772.b57.s51, NAD: SE/LLA/13105). After that, the town vanishes. Where would I find them in the 1881 to 1885 census? Thanks.
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« skrivet: 2015-09-06, 17:28 »
Can someone help me translate the marriage record at the top right of Gammalstorp CII:2 (1842-1860) Image 63 / page 230 (AID: v95794.b63.s230, NAD: SE/LLA/13105) between Per Persson and Inga Nilsdotter. My best guess follows:
Farmhand (unknown) Per Persson (unknown) from Mjellby (unknown) came to Skorsemo (unknown) to marry the widow Inga Nilsdotter.
Husbands family: Deceased Per Olsson and wife Anna Nilsdotter of No 74 Horsby
Wife's family: Husband Nils Svensson and wife Botil Olsdotter of Skorsemo
Notes: something about Widowed on 29 Sep 1854 and Ola Nilsson heirs (he died on 29 Apr 1854).
This implies that Per come from Mjellby to Skorsemo and within 3 months after her husbands death, they are engaged and get married. How could he find out about her and get there so quickly? Thanks.
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« skrivet: 2015-09-06, 05:58 »
Strange, but that is his brother (birthdate matches). He stays there until 1852, returning to Mjallby to be with his mother until 1854 when he moves to Gammalstorp. Mjällby AI:9 (1851-1862) Image 3180 / page 314 (AID: v96414a.b3180.s314, NAD: SE/LLA/13269). Then I lose him again as he is not in the move in records but his daughter's birth helps me find him again in Skorsemo. The hunt continues. Thanks.
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« skrivet: 2015-09-06, 01:02 »
I am trying to trace a distant ancestor that appears to have a living relative (found via DNA), but I am having trouble following him in the records. Per Persson was born on 29 Jun 1822, I have traced him to Mjällby AI:7 (1840-1845) Image 110 / page 7 (AID: v96412a.b110.s7, NAD: SE/LLA/13269) but I cannot figure out where he went to from there on 24 Oct 1842. Thanks.
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« skrivet: 2015-07-14, 14:37 »
I would like to thank everyone on the forums who have helped with this phase of my search for my ancestors in Sweden, 3/8ths of my ancestry. We have managed in the last 5 or so weeks to trace all (but one, Nils father) of my ancestors back to the 1700's. While there is a lot more that could be done, I have going on vacation/holiday for the next month and after that I plan to see how much can be done on the other part of my ancestry which goes back to Germany and Poland, where records are poor to non-existent due to conflict, etc. I plan to return to obtain more details on my Swedish ancestors as well as siblings of my ancestors when I have time. Thanks again, especially to Leif, Carl, and Kristina.
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« skrivet: 2015-07-14, 01:20 »
And you found her sister, Blenda, at ref 131 going to America in 1901. Thanks.
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« skrivet: 2015-07-13, 23:50 »
Agreed, thanks.
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« skrivet: 2015-07-13, 20:34 »
In Mjällby AIIa:2 (1897-1911) Image 266 / page 725 (AID: v184825.b266.s725, NAD: SE/LLA/13269), it says Elsa Svensdotter 22 Jun 1872 left for O. Hoby? Where is that? It says her child out of wedlock, Henning Richard, went to page 162 on the same date. On 162 he appears and then it shows him going somewhere when his grandmother leaves for America but I can't tell. Any guesses? Thanks.
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« skrivet: 2015-07-13, 17:23 »
Thanks.
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« skrivet: 2015-07-13, 05:35 »
Ok, I agree with you on Christopher's last name. This seems to imply different fathers as the last names are different.
In familysearch.org, to Christian Bern and Cissa Nilsdotter in Mjallby, there is a Christopher Christensson born on 11 Oct 1795 and a daughter, Bengta Christensson, on 21 Jan 1798 implying they kept the fathers last name, a bit strange but not unheard of. In any case, Johan Kristiansson BERNDT is associated with these two children on Bleckingesf.se. He leaves the service in Apr of 98 between his daughters birth and her death in Nov. And, then he vanishes.
It is reasonable for her to have another child 2 years later in 1800, Nils. Still does not clarify who his father was.
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« skrivet: 2015-07-13, 01:20 »
It still seems very unclear to me who was Nils' father, especially as he had the last name of Bengtsson. It is also not clear what Christopher's last name is. I can't read what it says in AI:1 but it does not look like Christiansson. Or, did I miss something in the discussion. I may have to go to a Family History Center to see what that microfilm says, although, it may be illegible to someone like myself who does not read Swedish very well. Of course, eventually ArkivDigital may get them eventually.
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« skrivet: 2015-07-13, 00:00 »
Kristina, no I had not see that long discussion. Sounds like it should move here but who do you suggest get involved? Or should I ask someone on the blekingesf.se webiste?
Thanks for that information, very interesting.
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« skrivet: 2015-07-12, 23:55 »
Carl, that was too obvious. I see that she is a foster daughter there. Ola Persson is listed as a Son with some letters afterward. What do those mean?
I see Mjällby AI:9 (1851-1862) Image 650 / page 62 (AID: v96414a.b650.s62, NAD: SE/LLA/13269) that she leaves her family but I do not see why that might have happened. Do you see reason? Eskil has his last name crossed out and something replacing it, maybe a name he took on. It looks like v. p. 715 is written after his name. What does the Bruk. in front of his name mean?
I would expect Eskil and family to be at the same place in Mjällby AI:8 (1846-1851) Image 380 / page 35 (AID: v96413a.b380.s35, NAD: SE/LLA/13269) but they are not or any other pages in Lorby 16. Thoughts?
Thanks.
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« skrivet: 2015-07-12, 01:31 »
Mjällby AI:14 (1867-1879) Image 450 / page 304 (AID: v96419a.b450.s304, NAD: SE/LLA/13269), Anna Eskilsdotter is listed as arriving 31 Dec 1867 from somewhere. Can you figure out where? I can't find her in the moving in/out records either. Thanks.
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« skrivet: 2015-07-10, 20:15 »
Carl, thanks for the follow-up. I will request that marriage certificate from Whiteside county, along many others, as so many relatives lived there. Maybe that will help confirm the information on your traceback to Sweden.
genealogytrails.com is an interesting website that I have not seen before. It also showed the deaths of both children, neither of whom had any children of their own. End of that branch.
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« skrivet: 2015-07-10, 15:50 »
Thanks for the additional details.
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« skrivet: 2015-07-10, 05:27 »
I forgot to tell you that your translation of oäkta is correct.
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« skrivet: 2015-07-10, 05:16 »
Thanks. I have references for Nils Olsson Cirkel until AI:13, when he dies. Herrman is not of interest as he is not a blood relative (Nils Olsson's wife Hanna is the link). I have her traced all the way to AIIa-6 when she dies in 1902 at age 70. One of her sons, August, died of TB in 1892 and the other I lost in Gammalstorp in 1885. Since he is lower priority, I have left him until I more time.
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« skrivet: 2015-07-09, 19:57 »
Thanks for finding Bengta again, I will try to trace further.
There are some letters in front of Nils name on this page. Can you figure out what they are?
In Mjällby AI:18 (1879-1887) Image 580 / page 299 (AID: v96423a.b580.s299, NAD: SE/LLA/13269), after Nils has died, a Nils Herrman joins the family with some notation in front of his name that ends in Son. What does that mean? He is also at the bottom of Mjällby AI:17 (1879-1887) Image 2220 / page 219 (AID: v96422a.b2220.s219, NAD: SE/LLA/13269), if that helps to read it. You can see here that Nils son August is a Seaman, maybe like his father.
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« skrivet: 2015-07-09, 16:55 »
There is also a new daughter appearing that is said to have been born in Bornholm, Denmark? She came her a year after birth. Was she born out of wedlock?
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« skrivet: 2015-07-09, 16:27 »
In Mjällby AI:11 (1862-1866) Image 1530 / page 147 (AID: v96416a.b1530.s147, NAD: SE/LLA/13269), Hanna Nilsdotter, Bengta's sister is shown. Her husband has a new title and words after his name that I need help understanding. Previously he had Cirkel after his name and now that has disappeared. Any reason for that as well? Thanks.
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« skrivet: 2015-07-09, 15:51 »
In Mjällby AI:7 (1840-1845) Image 620 / page 58 (AID: v96412a.b620.s58, NAD: SE/LLA/13269) the daughter of my ancestor, Bengta Nilsdotter, has gone off on her own. I can't figure out where she went from her. There appears to be a note to the right of her name that I cannot decipher. Can anyone help? Thanks.
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« skrivet: 2015-07-08, 23:37 »
Thanks.
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« skrivet: 2015-07-08, 19:32 »
Thanks Leif and Margareta. More than I could have hope for.
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« skrivet: 2015-07-08, 18:57 »
In Mjällby AI:5 (1831-1835) Image 1140 / page 110 (AID: v96410a.b1140.s110, NAD: SE/LLA/13269) I believe it says Pehr Olsson and his wife Anna Nilsdotter were absolved in 1832, 33, and 34. What does that mean?
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« skrivet: 2015-07-08, 14:23 »
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« skrivet: 2015-07-07, 23:54 »
Mjällby AI:3 (1820-1825) Image 2370 / page 232 (AID: v96408a.b2370.s232, NAD: SE/LLA/13269) has her again with a title before widow. Or a few rows from the bottom of Mjällby AI:4 (1826-1830) Image 1750 / page 171 (AID: v96409a.b1750.s171, NAD: SE/LLA/13269), with Nils at the bottom of the page before marriage on page 162. Interesting that they never ask her date of birth. I can't find her in AI:5. Thanks.
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« skrivet: 2015-07-07, 23:18 »
Guess we will never know who is his father was and not much about the mother. I have him to his death in 1871 in No 83 Norby. In 1834 he has a son Ola Nilsson who gives birth to Olof Olson, my great grandfather. Thanks.
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« skrivet: 2015-07-07, 23:02 »
In Mjällby CI:5 (1811-1841) Image 16 / page 25 (AID: v96438.b16.s25, NAD: SE/LLA/13269), an ancestor Jons Svensson is born to Sven Jonsson and Karna Mansdotter. Can someone tell me where he was born and what the words in front of his father say? Thanks.
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« skrivet: 2015-07-07, 14:39 »
I am trying to find where my ancestor was born and the names of his parents. His name was Nils Bengtsson, born 25 Aug 1800, and I traced him from Mjallby back to Solvesborg in 1814-Mjällby AI:2 (1815-1819) Image 2540 / page 249 (AID: v96407a.b2540.s249, NAD: SE/LLA/13269). Sölvesborg CI:2 (1796-1813) Image 40 / page 71 (AID: v96852.b40.s71, NAD: SE/LLA/13397) appears to have his birth record as the date matches and I see Bengt in the text but I need help reading the parents names and where they are located so I can find the household survey to confirm. The 1814 household survey says his father's name is Bengt Nilsson but the mother is missing and presumed to have died. Thanks for your help.
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« skrivet: 2015-07-07, 02:45 »
Bad me. Thanks. I will assume his link of her in Whiteside, Illinois is correct as Bessie.
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« skrivet: 2015-07-06, 16:27 »
Johan Olsson who was also mentioned in the papers, Ola's other son, went to American in 1897 and 1902 per Mjällby AIIa:2 (1897-1911) Image 27 / page 486 (AID: v184825.b27.s486, NAD: SE/LLA/13269). Any thoughts on why he may have done that? 1902 may be because his mother, who was in America also died, but I have not found her death record. Was this kind of travel frequent in those days? I have not see it before but my record searches are limited.
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« skrivet: 2015-07-06, 15:54 »
Any idea on how she might have changed her first name when she came to America?
The estate papers at Listers häradsrätt FII:42 (1894-1895) Image 5350 / page 533 (AID: v157233.b5350.s533, NAD: SE/LLA/10038), middle of right page, says something that looks like she was married. Can someone translate that for me? Thanks.
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« skrivet: 2015-07-06, 05:38 »
Mjällby AI:18 (1879-1887) Image 2390 / page 480 (AID: v96423a.b2390.s480, NAD: SE/LLA/13269) says that Bengta Olasdotter departed for America on 9 May 1882. Per Carl Wolf I know that she was in Morrison IL in 1895 according to her father's estate inventory. But, I cannot find her in America. Unfortunately, there is no 1890 census, so the first one is almost 20 years after she arrived. Suggestions? What names would you expect her to take? Bessie? Thanks.
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« skrivet: 2015-07-06, 05:38 »
I believe everything on here has been answered as good as it needs to be by separate communication. I have a new question that I am posting to the Mjällby board. Thanks.
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« skrivet: 2015-07-05, 01:30 »
Carl, Ancestry suggests that they are in Hunter Jackson Minnesota in the 1900 census with great name matches (mother and daughter), birth (Karin is off a year but the month matches) and arrival dates. Mathilda's findagrave record for her death in San Jose, 1959 has her exact 7 Sep 76 birthdate. The only reason it shows up is that she married a Peter Olsen. Thoughts?
If so, we need to find Peter Olsen in Sweden. He immigrated in 1890.
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« skrivet: 2015-07-05, 00:57 »
Ancestry.com gave me my answer to the last question. Malena Jonsdotter born in Ysane to Jons Sorensson and Karna Persdotter.
That leaves the marriage question outstanding.
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« skrivet: 2015-07-05, 00:39 »
I guess we should move to another message area but I am not sure which one.
Mjällby AI:9 (1851-1862) Image 2010 / page 198 (AID: v96414a.b2010.s198, NAD: SE/LLA/13269) has the parents of Karna. Jons Svensson and Halena (sp?) Jonsdotter born where?
And, yes, I am working my way backward. Lots of kids along the way. Thanks.
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« skrivet: 2015-07-05, 00:24 »
Leif, I believe that Carl has found that the initial Olaf Olsen that we have been tracing previously, who emigrated in 1865, is not my ancestor. As Carl pointed out correctly, the 1900 census is a known truth as my grandmother is listed along with many other known relatives. In this census, Olaf says he emigrated in 1881 which matches the other Olaf that he found from Mjallby. Sorry for the confusion and extra work (although it might help Anna). I was following previous work on my ancestor and got misled.
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« skrivet: 2015-07-05, 00:19 »
Mjällby CI:9 (1849-1861) Image 195 / page 375 (AID: v96442.b195.s375, NAD: SE/LLA/13269). I assume this means the marriage or Ola and Karna was final on 31 Dec 1859? What are the comments? Thanks.
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« skrivet: 2015-07-04, 22:56 »
I see him and his brother departing in Mjällby AI:18 (1879-1887) Image 2390 / page 480 (AID: v96423a.b2390.s480, NAD: SE/LLA/13269). And the sister in Mjällby AI:22 (1887-1896) Image 2320 / page 480 (AID: v96427a.b2320.s480, NAD: SE/LLA/13269). Thanks.
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« skrivet: 2015-07-04, 22:29 »
Carl, that is very interesting. This linkage has the advantage that the immigration year matches the census which was a concern (not that census are always correct). In addition I have found none of the brothers or sisters in the current set are familiar to me. I will also request the marriage license for Olaf and Catherine Irion from Whiteside county as these have useful information to help in confirmation.
There is a Peter Olson in Union Grove in 1893, immigrated in 1883. Do you know when he emigrated? If so, he and his offspring are not familiar, not that this is critical. I can't find her in 1900 or beyond, although it is hard to say what she changed her name to in America.
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« skrivet: 2015-07-04, 14:56 »
Anna said that she thinks she agrees with you. She suggested looking for the marriage which I believe is 6 Apr 1795 in Djurröd CI:2 (1768-1845) Image 140 / page 8 (AID: v98138a.b140.s8, NAD: SE/LLA/13060). It appears they are both from Maglehult. His name is Per Mansson at this time, if this is the correct marriage record. The timing is about right to have their first son at the end of December of that year.
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« skrivet: 2015-07-04, 02:37 »
Carl, in the 1870 census in Chicago Ward 18, I have Peter, Ellen (the parents), Nels, Anna, and Olof with dates that match the birth dates. Two children have been added in the years since arrive Sophia and John. All of these plus Gustaf added in 1872 appear in the 1880 census in Moline, IL. I have seen the Olof who died in 1940 in earlier census and decided he did not match.
Leif, thanks for the information, the records in that area are not very good. Anna Martinsson thought Ola's father's name was Giörslöf based on his birth record on Image 730/Page 67. Look close enough to be the same person but looking at them, I am uncertain. Looking at both, what do you think? Thanks for the details on the property, etc.
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« skrivet: 2015-07-03, 18:47 »
Carl, I have Olof in the USA starting with the 1870 census in Chicago and then to Moline, Rock Island in the 1880 census. I believe he moved to Kenosha Wisconsin around 1920 and died in Chicago 24 Feb 1924 and is buried with his wife Josephine in Kenosha. The biggest problem with him is that he does not have a birth record as it appears he was born around the time they were leaving for America.
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« skrivet: 2015-07-03, 18:36 »
Djurröd CI:2 (1768-1845) Image 730 / page 67 (AID: v98138a.b730.s67, NAD: SE/LLA/13060) has the birth of Ola Persson on 31 Dec 1795. Can someone read the names of the parents (the first names are clearly Per and Elna)? Unfortunately Djurröd does not have household survey records until 1813 so finding the parents is going to be difficult.
I believe I found Ola on Djurröd AI:1 (1813-1817) Image 78 / page 69 (AID: v98122.b78.s69, NAD: SE/LLA/13060) where he moves to Skepparslov in 1816. Unfortunately this parish does not having moving in records in 1816 so tracking in after that until he appears in Äsphult in 1829 with the birth of his first son. I cannot find him in the 1813 to 1830 records, probably as pages are missing for the early part of that period and the last data seems to be for 1828.
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« skrivet: 2015-07-03, 14:33 »
Thanks.
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« skrivet: 2015-07-02, 14:19 »
I assume you mean Olaf. All of his US census records say he was born in Sweden. Unfortunately, I cannot find any ship records for the family.
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« skrivet: 2015-07-02, 00:27 »
I would like to email you to find out but I do not have an email address for you. Mine is in my profile but yours is not. Thanks.
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« skrivet: 2015-07-01, 22:23 »
I found EMIBAS. Thanks for looking on this for my ancestors. I hope we can find Olaf somewhere. He may have been born after they left Äsphult. I assume they would go from there to Göteborg to find a ship to England and on to the USA. Are there any records in Göteborg just before people leave? Thanks.
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« skrivet: 2015-07-01, 22:18 »
My grandfather was from Muggebo, Oppeby, Östergötland, Sweden. Unfortunately, since they married in the USA, this does help much.
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« skrivet: 2015-07-01, 21:32 »
What is EMIBAS? This looks like the group I am tracking. There should be another son born, Olaf, born in 1864 or 1865 to be sure it is my relatives. This group has all of the right names but without him I am concerned. Thoughts?
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« skrivet: 2015-07-01, 21:27 »
Thanks. I found them back where he was born in Rickarum in Äsphult AI:8 (1861-1865) Image 124 / page 144 (AID: v102328.b124.s144, NAD: SE/LLA/13500). Now to trace them to America and find a missing child.
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« skrivet: 2015-07-01, 18:39 »
On Nävlinge AI:11 (1861-1866) Image 85 / page 84 (AID: v100672.b85.s84, NAD: SE/LLA/13292) the family that I believe are my ancestors left for somewhere else. Can someone figure out where they went? I could not find them in the moving in/out records to help. Does the notation mean that they are Baptists? Thanks.
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« skrivet: 2015-07-01, 18:07 »
I am trying to trace Peter and his family back to Sweden. Peter's granddaughter was my grandmother. I have already found my grandfather in Sweden as someone had previously found him. I have used ArkivDigital and this forum to trace him and his family back to the mid-1700's. Here is everything I know about this family.
Per the US 1870, 1880, and 1900 census (the US 1890 census was destroyed by fire) a family with the following individuals immigrated to the USA in 1864 (maybe 1865), probably all together. The only names I have are the ones they used in the USA. They were in Chicago Illinois in 1870 and Rock Island County, Illinois and nearby areas after that.
The family name is sometimes Olson, and other times Oleson or Olsen. Peter and Ellen said they were married in 1860. In some cases I have a birth month as it was collected in the 1900 census (Peter died by then and I am unsure of what happened to Anna-still working on her). Nels has an exact date from his death notice. As usual with dates, be careful as people sometimes changed dates for various reasons. The years are more likely accurate within 1 year (as the US census asks only for age).
Peter O Olson 1835 father, a tailor in the 1880 census
Ellen Olson March 1831 wife
Nels N 27 May 1862 son
Anna or Annie 1863 daughter
Olaf or Olof May 1864 son (he is my direct ancestor)
(they had several more children after coming to North America)
I have tried to find them on ships. I have tried to find their births in Sweden using Ancestry.com but without knowing the Swedish surname and exact birthdates, that is almost impossible. Any suggestions on how to proceed would we helpful. Thank you.
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« skrivet: 2015-06-26, 23:10 »
Where did you find this census data? Is there a digital copy somewhere? Thanks.
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« skrivet: 2015-06-26, 20:37 »
Great, thanks.
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« skrivet: 2015-06-26, 19:17 »
On Hjorted AIIa:1 (1897-1902) Image 193 / page 181 (AID: v173671.b193.s181, NAD: SE/VALA/00134) and Hjorted BI:4 (1895-1925) Image 25 / page 17 (AID: v173688.b25.s17, NAD: SE/VALA/00134), my ancestor Jakob Axel Rylander is leaving Hjorted for someplace that I cannot make out. Can someone tell me where he went? Also, what is the right most notation on the moving out record? An unmarried woman appears to be accompanying them (line 125 of moving out record). Is this normal for a new couple? Thanks.
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« skrivet: 2015-06-25, 20:47 »
Thanks with the translation, it helps a lot with her birthdate.
What is an inspector? I have seen that associated with her father Eric Vibom.
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« skrivet: 2015-06-25, 18:26 »
Oppeby CI:3 (1811-1849) Image 138 / page 253 (AID: v39576.b138.s253, NAD: SE/VALA/00289)
In the marriage of Brita Vibom it says: The groom is the owner of a farm equipping a cavalry soldier in Fulmestad Hagestad parish xxx in Knäppesvik. What are the words before Knäppesvik? Thanks.
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« skrivet: 2015-06-25, 17:06 »
Another ancestor's wife (Lisken Johansdotter) died on 6 Feb 1785--Oppeby CI:2 (1755-1810) Image 145 / page 281 (AID: v39575.b145.s281, NAD: SE/VALA/00289). Can you help me translate the notice? Thanks.
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« skrivet: 2015-06-25, 00:56 »
Anna Cajsa (Catharina) Isacsdotter was born on 21 Sep 1801 in Svinstad - Bankekind C:5 Image 15/Page 23. She eventually ends up in Kaga--Kaga BI:1 (1813-1860) Image 21 / page 31 (AID: v38083.b21.s31, NAD: SE/VALA/00173) about to be wed to Jons Anderson in Vardnas (the date of her departure is after the wedding date). But, I can't find anything about her family as I can't find them in the first Bankekind A:1 survey. I tried to work backward but could not find her in Kaga either. Thanks for any information you can provide on her family.
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« skrivet: 2015-06-24, 20:25 »
Thanks for the help on the records interpretation.
The DISBYT database agrees with everything I had already determined except for the Elisabeth Andersdotter b 1788. It helped add death dates for Hans and Samuel.
Does the database have a death date for her mother Elisabeth Ericsdotter? I lost track of her in 1807 when she moved to Tjarstad.
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« skrivet: 2015-06-24, 17:48 »
My ancestor Anna Greta Hansdotter's birth record appears on the right side of Vårdnäs C:2 (1730-1780) Image 91 / page 173 (AID: v65332.b91.s173, NAD: SE/VALA/00435). Can someone read the names of her parents? It also appears that her middle name was Margareta, is that what you read? The family may appear in the census at Vårdnäs AI:1 (1781-1790) Image 27 / page 35 (AID: v27250.b27.s35, NAD: SE/VALA/00435) if the years shown are ages. True? Thanks for your help.
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« skrivet: 2015-06-24, 02:17 »
Thanks.
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« skrivet: 2015-06-23, 23:55 »
Right is correct. Thanks for the lead, I should have noticed.
Vårdnäs AI:5 (1812-1823) Image 245 / page 477 (AID: v27254.b245.s477, NAD: SE/VALA/00435) lists the birthplace of Anna Cajsa Tjacsdotter but I can't read it, can you help?
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« skrivet: 2015-06-23, 20:00 »
The birth record for Brita Catharina Jonsdotter on the top of the left page shows her in Nybygget but I do not find any place by that name in the index to Vårdnäs AI:6. In BI:1/Image 27 she is leaving from the same location. Where would I find her and her family? Thanks.
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« skrivet: 2015-06-23, 16:43 »
Thank you for that wonderful information. I would never have looked in Västra Eneby (C:2/Image 240) as I could not trace either to that parish and later records show their marriage as in 1807, but it is obviously them. I see Maria and Gabriel in Slyckelund under Slycke in AI:2/Image 137 and Västra Eneby AI:1/Image 103 but no Sara Stina, I guess she left home before she was 15. Somehow she eventually made it to Hagerstad and found Carl Peter and still knew where her mother was so they could get married in Västra Eneby.
In the last census for Anna in Tidersrum AI:7 (1823-1828) Image 20 / page 11 (AID: v29406.b20.s11, NAD: SE/VALA/00372), there is a comment that I can't make out but seems to show she is being assisted/aided. Can you translate that?
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« skrivet: 2015-06-23, 06:20 »
Hägerstad AI:3 (1792-1811) Image 120 / page 233 (AID: v26019.b120.s233, NAD: SE/VALA/00151) shows Carl alone moving to N Arteryd in 1806 (shown in image 123 of previous post). Unfortunately, the moving in records for this period are missing and this record does not show when he arrived in Hägerstad. On the other end, the birth record Norra Vi C:4 (1781-1861) Image 38 / page 36 (AID: v39277.b38.s36, NAD: SE/VALA/00268), does not seem to show where in Norra Vi they are located.
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« skrivet: 2015-06-23, 05:24 »
Hi Leif, thank you very much for the translation of this very interesting series of events in the lives of my ancestors. Now to work on his parents who somehow made it from Norra Vi to Hagerstad and then to Muggebo (via the Norra Vi threads).
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« skrivet: 2015-06-23, 01:20 »
Oppeby CI:3 (1811-1849) Image 152 / page 281 (AID: v39576.b152.s281, NAD: SE/VALA/00289) has the marriage of Carl Johan to Brita Catharina Jonsdotter. I believe it is on 18 August 1847. Can you read/translate the details. It says something about a crofter in muggebo and a date of 25 April but that is all I can make out. Thanks.
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« skrivet: 2015-06-22, 17:48 »
Hi Leif, thanks. I understand.
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« skrivet: 2015-06-22, 16:53 »
In the discussion from 2012 regarding these two people ( http://aforum.genealogi.se/discus/messages/29510/309674.html?1328556448), Marianne Lindén indicated they married later. What information do you have that shows this? Hägerstad AI:3 (1792-1811) Image 123 / page 239 (AID: v26019.b123.s239, NAD: SE/VALA/00151) shows Carl Peter Samuelson and Sara Stina Jaensdotter both of Norra Vi and born in 1782 together and records showing their life after this but nothing before. I assume this is the same two people you discussed. Can you help me link the 1782 record to these two? Thanks.
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« skrivet: 2015-06-22, 15:08 »
Thanks Kristina, Lief, and Vincent. You must have considerable experience reading these records to make that out.
Is it unusual for the mother not to be mentioned? Do you think it means something?
Leif, what did you mean by (Klåckare = sv. Klockare = eng. Sexton)? Isn't Klåckare's the last name of Pehr?
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« skrivet: 2015-06-21, 17:37 »
Oppeby EI:1 (1861-1878) Image 22 / page 35 (AID: v39583.b22.s35, NAD: SE/VALA/00289) line 6 has Johan Victor marrying Maria Charlotta. In the notes on the right page I believe it says The fiancee's mother Anna Sofia Rylander of Ofa Arteryd has approved in writing. Proof #4. What is proof #4? Thanks.
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« skrivet: 2015-06-21, 17:01 »
Hi Kristina and Leif,
Thanks for your help. I now understand the situation of my relatives much better.
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« skrivet: 2015-06-21, 01:39 »
Hi Kristina,
Thank you for the information. I see that I missed them at Hägerstad AI:4 (1811-1817) Image 41 / page 71 (AID: v26020.b41.s71, NAD: SE/VALA/00151), which shows Mans death and their move to N Arteryd in 1815. This image also provides his birth date as 25 Sep 1756. Unfortunately, the birth records for that time are very bad. It looks like his birth is listed on Hägerstad CI:1 (1676-1761) Image 175 / page 341 (AID: v37882.b175.s341, NAD: SE/VALA/00151) about halfway down the left page. Do you agree? Can you read anything here about his parents?
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« skrivet: 2015-06-20, 17:41 »
Hi Marianne,
Thanks for finding them. The records in this period are not very complete and the data is more confusing than I have seen for other relatives. If you have time to help by answering the following questions so I can finish out the record, I would be most appreciative.
There appears to be another daughter on the 3rd line, maybe Fingelborg Andersdotter with a notation above her name that looks like Daughter Wife. Is this a daughter from another marriage? What is the correct spelling of the daughter's name. I looked on Image 120/page 233 (for the years 1800 to 1810) and it is still not clear, but at least it gives a birth year of 1783. In that list, there is also another daughter who died early in life: Gajsa Lisa?
In Hägerstad AI:4 (1811-1817) Image 80 / page 147 (AID: v26020.b80.s147, NAD: SE/VALA/00151), I find them again but Måns has died. Anyway to find out when he died? Usually the household survey or death records help but in this case the household records for 1800 to 1810 have no information and I couldn't find his death recorded either. There is a Borge Andersson below Maja Stina on this page that says Brother. Is this her brother from her mother's first marriage? Are any of the people below that related?
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« skrivet: 2015-06-20, 00:20 »
Maja Stina Mansdotter was born on 28 Nov 1789 (Hägerstad CI:2 (1761-1845) Image 47 / page 89 (AID: v37883.b47.s89, NAD: SE/VALA/00151)). Is someone able to read this so I can find her location in Hagerstad and the names of her parents? Thanks.
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« skrivet: 2015-06-19, 16:05 »
I am looking for Sara Stina Jaensdotter who was born in 1782 in Norra Vi. The ArkivDigital record shows a Sara Stina born that year but I cannot read or translate the record: Norra Vi C:4 (1781-1861) Image 38 / page 36 (AID: v39277.b38.s36, NAD: SE/VALA/00268). Can someone read the script and translate for me?
Her husband, Carl Samuelsson, was born in the same year in Norra Vi but I can't find him anywhere. Any suggestions?
I am looking for them based on the following record after they moved to Oppeby from Hagestad in 1807: Oppeby AI:3 (1805-1813) Image 55 / page 97 (AID: v28376.b55.s97, NAD: SE/VALA/00289).
Thanks.
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« skrivet: 2015-06-19, 00:28 »
My ancestor (Carl Johan) status seemed to change in Oppeby AI:9 (1841-1845) Image 187 / page 357 (AID: v28383.b187.s357, NAD: SE/VALA/00289) (I can't make out the notation in front of his name) and his father's title changed from T. to Till hus. Does this mean Carl Johan took over the land from his father who then lived there in a house with his wife? Thanks.
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« skrivet: 2015-06-18, 18:41 »
My ancestor (Carl Johan Carlsson) was on Muggebo in Wada, Oppeby for decades in the 1800's. Is there any way to find out if he owned this land? See for example: Oppeby AI:16 (1876-1881) Image 346 / page 335 (AID: v28392.b346.s335, NAD: SE/VALA/00289).
Something seems to have happened in the early 1880's. Can someone read/translate the text on line 3/4 of Oppeby AI:17 (1881-1887) Image 349 / page 338 (AID: v28393.b349.s338, NAD: SE/VALA/00289)?
He died in 1891. Can someone translate the cause of death? Oppeby FI:2 (1879-1895) Image 24 (AID: v39591.b24, NAD: SE/VALA/00289)
My great grandfather (Johan Victor Carlsson) left Muggebo for Stjärnevik for a short period and returned with a wife (at the same time as his wife to be). There seem to be a lot of people, many single, in Stjärnevik. Was this a big city at that time or something?
Thanks.
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« skrivet: 2015-06-18, 00:07 »
Thanks Leif. I am now on my search in Hagerstad where Erik's wife and children moved 7 Nov 1863.
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« skrivet: 2015-06-17, 23:25 »
Thanks Leif for clarifying the farm information. I do not know where I saw he was a tenant. Too many records, I must have confused this with something else.
By the way, the sixth row should be 1 daughter and 3 sons to match the records. I also see his fourth son is born soon after his death.
If you get a chance can you translate the comments in Eric Magnus' row in the household survey Tjärstad AI:12b (1856-1861) Image 144 / page 271 (AID: v29482.b144.s271, NAD: SE/VALA/00377), there are additional words that I can't make out that might be useful.
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« skrivet: 2015-06-17, 18:58 »
To close out Erik Magnus Rylander, I decided to look at his death notice at Tjärstad CI:5 (1828-1860) Image 4130 / page 813 (AID: v41274a.b4130.s813, NAD: SE/VALA/00377). If you could help with the translation and interpretation that would be most appreciated. Is the third column the burial date? Why would they delay until 07 Jan to bury him as this is almost a month after his death? On a separate note, I see that his last son was born two months after he died. Translation: He owed a home in Opphems Brckara in Skälfalla. He was born 29 Mar 1818. He arrived here in 1850. In 1852 he married Anna Sofia Eriksdotter his second wife. 2 daughters by his first marriage and 3 sons and Maria by his second wife are still alive. (I can't understand any of the rest). Cause of death:  Arrived in Tjarstad in 1841 He is married In the household survey Tjärstad AI:12b (1856-1861) Image 144 / page 271 (AID: v29482.b144.s271, NAD: SE/VALA/00377), there are additional words that I can't make out as well.
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« skrivet: 2015-06-17, 17:46 »
Thanks. That is very helpful. I have a couple of questions.
Does the remark on ownership/farm mean that half of each half (a quarter) of the land is farmed? What is done with the other half?
It appears clear with the pages that Kristina provided that Alex Rylander is the son of the Lieutenant (even though his birth year changed from 78 to 79). Also, thanks Kristina for the link to the ironworks.
Do I understand correctly that Alex is a bookkeeper at the ironworks in Fågelfors?
Since the ownership note was added later, should we assume that Alex inherited it from his father (after the Lieutenant died)? Is it possible then that when Eric Magnus came in 1841 that be bought half of this from Alex, so that is why each owns a quarter?
Does the remark on 1/2 being farmed imply that half of their half or a quarter of their half is farmed? What is done with the rest?
On the next page, it shows the other half of Opphems Mellangård is owned by Alexander Rylander born 04 Nov 1816, who is the brother of Eric Magnus. I believe it says he farms half and has tenants on the other half.
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« skrivet: 2015-06-17, 00:54 »
Hi Leif,
I did not see the death record at Hagerstad CI:2, which is what really confused me. Thanks for the link and translation. I understand about the old words.
I see you and I found Eric Magnus at about the same time. If you can look at the Trjarstad AI:9b image 38 and help me understand it, I would be most appreciative.
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« skrivet: 2015-06-17, 00:10 »
Hi Kristina, thanks for the links.
Hi Leif,
I finally found Eric in Opphem, Tjarstad --Tjärstad AI:9b (1841-1845) Image 38 / page 28 (AID: v29476.b38.s28, NAD: SE/VALA/00377). This is a very informative page that could be helped by some more of your translation. It appears that Lisa's sister Maria lives here with her husband, who also goes by Rylander.
In the next census Tjärstad AI:10b (1846-1850) Image 42 / page 65 (AID: v29478.b42.s65, NAD: SE/VALA/00377), Eric's birthdate has changed and it is clearly him as the wife and daughter as still with him (until his wife dies in 1850).
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« skrivet: 2015-06-16, 21:38 »
Hi Leif,
Thanks for the help in translation.
Thanks for the various details such as Nils farming the land of his daughter's husband.
Where do you see the cause of death for Elisabeth, Maria Charlotta, and Gustaf? I do not see them on this page.
Using the moving in file I found that Rylander moved to Walla, Kattilstad 30 Mar 1838 -- Kättilstad BI:1 (1825-1841) Image 99 / page 17 (AID: v38638.b99.s17, NAD: SE/VALA/00209)
Kättilstad AI:11 (1836-1841) Image 216 / page 208 (AID: v24988.b216.s208, NAD: SE/VALA/00209)
Kättilstad AI:12 (1841-1845) Image 228 / page 220 (AID: v24989.b228.s220, NAD: SE/VALA/00209) finally has Eric Magnus moving out to Tjärstad in 1842. Unfortunately, the moving in/out records seem to be missing for that year and he is not in Skalfalla so it will require some work to find him in 1842.
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« skrivet: 2015-06-16, 06:01 »
Hi Leif,
I found Erik in Hagerstad by going page by page through the book. Thanks for the rest of the information. I will try the search to see what else I can find.
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« skrivet: 2015-06-16, 05:47 »
Hi Leif,
I tried 3 different translation programs and received 3 different results for the article on Frösvik.
I denna Socken märkes
Frösvik, 2 mantal Frälse-Säteri, med 1.5 underlydande Frälse-hemman vid Åsunden, .75 mil sjöledes och 3.8 mil landväg frän Kyrkan, har tillhört Kongl Rädet Gr. Jac. Spens, hvars mäg, Lagman D. Sparrsköld, sålde det till Löjtn. F. Duseö det tillhörde 1760 dess son, Löjtn. L. Duse, år 1818 Häradsh. Grefve J. M. Spens, Kapitenen Grafve C. Spens, 1829 Hof-Controllören J. Elg och Kamereraren C. Apelgren.
My best understanding from the 3 results follows:
In this parish:
Frösvik, 2 mantal on noble-manor, with 1.5 subordinates on noble-homestead Åsunden, located .75 miles seaborne and 3.8 miles overland from the church. It belonged to the Royal Council Gr. Jac. Spens, whose mag, Judge D. Sparr Shield, sold it to Löjtn. F. Duseö in 1760 and it belonged to his son Löjtn. L. Duse. In 1818 it belonged to Häradsh. Count JM Spens Kapitenen Grafve C. Spens. In 1829 it belonged to Hof Controllören J. Elg and Kamereraren C. Apelgren.
Can you help with this? Sorry for the bother but I suspect the language used may be out of date causing the translators to have major problems.
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« skrivet: 2015-06-16, 01:08 »
Hi Leif,
I finally found Erik Vibom in Hagstead in Hägerstad AI:6 (1824-1830) Image 85 / page 159 (AID: v26022.b85.s159, NAD: SE/VALA/00151), where he died on 11 May 1826 (my best reading of the record). He appears to have moved with his wife to live with his next youngest daughter Brita and her family. The youngest daughter appears to have married in 1824, returned in 1827, and left again in 1828.
Hi Kristina,
Thanks for the information. Not a lot of Wibom/Vibom left. Why would someone just take that name?---I see the answer, he was a soldier.
(Meddelandet ändrat av djc2002us 2015-06-16 05:49)
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« skrivet: 2015-06-15, 23:48 »
Hi Leif,
Thanks for all your help. The information on names was most helpful, if a bit confusing when trying to perform genealogy. I did not have the marriage record, thanks. It has a slightly different date 16 vs. 25 than stated in household surveys. Probably a record problem. There are several words on that record that are not clear to me could you try to make out and translate the entire record? And what is in the last column? It looks like a 3. Thanks.
On Erik Magnus Rylander, I see the error but I have lost his father's trail (Nils Mansson Rylander) in 1831 when the Knappesvik survey (Oppeby AI:7 (1831-1835) Image 61 / page 109 (AID: v28381.b61.s109, NAD: SE/VALA/00289)) says they moved to Hagerstad. If you can find where they really went, that would help.
Thanks for translating the death record. That confirms for me that he remarried and had another child with Eva. Lisa Vibom must have died sometime between 1831 and 1832 as she shows up in the Knappesvik survey in 1831 when it says they are moving to Hagerstad but I can't find they ever made it there. Since he was a homestead owner in Valla, does that mean he was in a different county? I do not see Valla in Kattilstad county.
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« skrivet: 2015-06-15, 19:29 »
Hi Leif, since you have been so helpful, if you have time, can you look at this also: Oppeby CI:1 (1676-1754) Image 191 / page 373 (AID: v39574.b191.s373, NAD: SE/VALA/00289), at the bottom right appears to be the birth of Erik Wibom (Lisa's/Liskon's father). The date and location matches what he said in household surveys, but it does not say Wibom. It is also very hard to read. If this is really him and you can read the names of his parents, we might be able to push the ancestry back another generation. Thanks again.
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« skrivet: 2015-06-15, 17:36 »
Nils death notice appears in Kättilstad CI:5 (1828-1860) Image 298 / page 581 (AID: v38647.b298.s581, NAD: SE/VALA/00209). This uses Rylander instead of Månsson. Can you translate this? I see he died of stomach disease and it appears he had a second wife: Eva Lotta Samuelsdotter, but the rest is not clear to me. Thanks.
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« skrivet: 2015-06-15, 05:25 »
Skälfalla, Tjärstad, Östergötland: Tjärstad AI:11b (1851-1855) Image 141 / page 265 (AID: v29480.b141.s265, NAD: SE/VALA/00377)
Thanks for the Oppeby reference. This also provides marriage year. Do you know why the Rylander is dropped here?
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« skrivet: 2015-06-14, 23:55 »
Hi Leif,
Thanks, that is very helpful. I assume that the manager does not own the land. Anyway to find out who owns the land?
Vibom does not sound like a Swedish name. Why would he have this name? Sometimes I have seen it written as Wibom instead, do you know which is likely correct? What does östra Roten at the top of this page mean?
Since the 1820 to 1825 book is missing and he is not in the 1826 to 1830 book, I lose track of him after that. I did not find him in the death records for 1811-1849 in those years. Any thoughts as to how to find when he died? I believe my line follows from his Daughter, Liskon, who leaves in 1814. Unfortunately, she moved to Horn, which has no records until 1851, where I believe she marries Niles Mansson Rylander. In 1851, I believe I find her son (birthdate 26 March 1818) in Skalfalla. He says Niles M. Rylander is his father. This is uncertain as far as I can tell but it was in another family tree that I used.
There is a Nils Rylander death record in Kättilstad CI:5 (1828-1860) Image 298 / page 581 (AID: v38647.b298.s581, NAD: SE/VALA/00209) which I could use your help reading. It talks about a Lisa Vibom, which could be Liskon, I assume.
Any thoughts on how to confirm this linkage with the loss of Horn records?
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« skrivet: 2015-06-13, 16:16 »
Oppeby AI:4 (1814-1816) Image 41 / page 67 (AID: v28378.b41.s67, NAD: SE/VALA/00289)
Since it says not to enter names of individual names, I have not mentioned them below but it is obvious on the archive page.
The person on the top of this page in ArkivDigital online has several notations that I cannot understand.
Just below Frossvik the words frälse säteri appear which Google translates as nobility manor. Does this mean he lived in a manor or what?
There is another line below that it looks like förre frälse befallnings which translates to former tenant's command, which makes no sense to me.
Before his first son is the phrase nuvarande befallningsman, which translates to current sheriff. Is this correct? What does this imply?
I do not know if this is the correct place to post this, but as I do not know Swedish, I picked what I thought was a reasonable place in the English discussion section. Feel free to move it where it belongs. Thank you for your help.
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