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Hi Festerman and Huggorm, I was thinking maybe Johan Palmstrom, might’ve married Johanna and had a boy named Johannes. Then left them and went to Kristiansand, Norway and started a new life with Marie Cathrine Pedersdotter and had a son Peter Andreas Palmstrom, etc. He could’ve been born in 1762 in Sweden, which would’ve made him 27 when he had a boy named Johannes with Johanna. Just a thought....thx Mark Peterson

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Can anyone please find out if this couple married or not and when and where they all died, Norway or Sweden. Thx Mark Peterson.

Johannes  Johansson
Uddevala, Göteborg Och Bohus, Sweden
Born: 26th November 1789.
Father: Johan Palmstrom
Mother: Johanna Pehrsdotter

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Ok thx festerman,

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Yes. And I’m after a connection with my Johan Carl Palmstrom. A father named Johan and his twin brother named Carl. Looks a good match, for a son ( Peter Andreas Palmstrom ) to name his son ( Johan Carl Palmstrom ) after both his father and uncle. Mmmmm maybe. Thx Mark Peterson

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On FamilySearch it says:

Birth Date: 24th December 1762
Name Note: Twillinger

What does Twillinger mean? Twins....
Thx Mark Peterson

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Hi festerman, Look at the Johan Peter Lindstrøm 1762. His father was Johan Lindstrøm. If this Johan Lindstrøms father can be proved to be Lennart Lindestrøm. Then Johan Peter Lindstrøm 1762 may have changed his familyname to Palmstrøm. Thx Mark Peterson PS: It was from FamilySearch from another person trying to trace Johan Peter Palmstrom.

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Hi festerman, I received this from someone.


If Johan Peter Palmstrøm 1762 was a descedant of
Gustaf Palmstrøm 1712-1764 f.2.aug.1712 Nedre Ullerud gm. Margaretha Blanckenfjell 1646-1723
Datteren Anna Elisabeth Palmstrøm (1679 – 1738) ​var gift med Lennart Lindestrøm (1680-1718)​og  Petter Ahling (1678-  ??)
#7Anna Elisabeth Palmstrøm f. 30.04.1679 – 1738 ​​-​dotter av ryttmästaren Gustaf Palmström, och Margareta Blanckenfjell​
https://www.adelsvapen.com/genealogi/Lindeström_nr_549#TAB_3
Lennart (son av Johan, Tab. 2), till Knäpplan och Sörberga. Född omkring 1680. Dragon vid bremiska dragonregementet 1699-12-09. Sergeant vid Kronobergs regemente 1700-10-06. Kornett vid skånska stånddragonregementet 1700-12-06. Löjtnant vid skånska tremänningskavalleriregementet 1701-06-01. Ryttmästare vid skånska tremänningskavalleriregementet 1709-12-09. Avsked 1713-01-27. Död 1718. Han hade 1713 flera barn.
Gift 1705-12-28. på Blomberg i Husaby socken, Skaraborgs län med Anna Elisabet Palmström i hennes 1:a gifte (gift 2:o 1719-08-12 med kaptenen vid Västgöta tremänningsinfanteriregemente Peter Ahling i hans 2:a gifte, född 1678-04-30), dotter av ryttmästaren Gustaf Palmström, och Margareta Blanckenfjell.
Gift 28 December 1705 med: #8 Lennart Johansson Lindeström (ca.1680-1718) (ryttmester) ​BOSTED: STOCKHOLM​
BARN: Anna Elisabeth Palmstrøm (1679) hadde flere barn med Lennart Lindeström (ca. 1680) enn angitt under, (ifølge brev fra år 1713).
1. #404​Anna Beata Lindeström (1706-1764) Gm. Bengt Udd (1697-1781)
▪ (Barna er listet opp i stamtreet)
2. #405​Jonas Lindeström (??- etter 1741) (1707 – 11.07.1767 i Danderyd Stockholm?) bodde 1741 i Vadensjö socken, Malmöhus län.
▪ Barn:
3. #406​Bengt Lindeström (f.etter 1707?) gm. Ukjent. Var han gift med Catarina Lundberg ?
▪ Barn: Johan Peter Lindstrøm – døpt 13.juni 1766 i Adolf Fredriks forsamling, Stockholm
4. #    ​Johan Lindstrøm, gm. Anna Stina Oman -​bosted Stockholm
▪ Barn: Johan Peter Lindstrøm – født 24.des.1762, døpt 25.des.1762 i Katarina, Stockholm
5. #  ​Mathias Lindstrøm, gm. Helena Krem – bosted Stockholm
▪ Barn: Johan Peter Lindstrøm – døpt 31.jan. 1764 i Jacob og Johannes, Stockholm
 
Hi, Mark
If this Johan Lindstrøm is the son of Anna Elisabeth and Lennart Johansson, we have found OUR Johan Peter Palmstrøm BORN IN 1762 (as the 1801-counting in Kristiansand says). Then Johan Peter must have changed his familyname to Palmstrøm after his grandmother, just like Jonas Palmstrøm (ab.1704) did about 1749 – when he took the name Palmstrøm after his grandfather.

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Hi festerman, I found it on FamilySearch. Thx Mark Peterson

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Thx again festerman. What about this guy?

Found on FamilySearch:

Jn. B. H. Palmstrom
B: 1744 Ånimskog Socken, Älvsborg, Sweden
D: 1820 Ånimskog Socken, Älvsborg, Sweden
Maybe this is Johan Peter Palmstrom’s father.

If not, I’m going to give up, so thx to everyone for their great help, thx Mark Peterson

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Anna Maria Palmstrom B: 1738 and married in 1759, so maybe she had a Johan Palmstrom in 1762/3 with her husband Johan Lithberg?
Her mother was Anna Cathrina Myrin and father was Johan Palmstrom.
Also looks like they were all from Skolvene, Alvsborgs, Sweden area. thx Mark Peterson

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Thx again huggorm and  festerman. People of knowledge indeed, thx Mark Peterson

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Thx festerman, but he could’ve easily been born after his father died. It takes 9 months on average, from the deed to the birth.LOL. Thx Mark Peterson PS: I will take your great advice and insight and work on it. Also I have emailed the creator of the www.palmstrom.net website and still no reply. Why have it on their as VIA USA for maybe years and then take it off?

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Sorry festerman, but Johan Carl Palmstrom left Kristiansand, Norway, not Kragero, for Australia via USA in about 1854/55. Which was written on www.palmstrom.net website about 6 months ago and now someone has deleted the VIA USA wording. Don’t know why they did that.

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This one looks a better match.

Peter Jonsson
B: 1745
HYSSNA, ALVSBORG, SWEDEN
father: Jonas Pehrsson
>
Jonas Pehrsson
TOLLSJO, ALVSBORG, SWEDEN
7th February 1727
Father: Pehr
Mother: Anna

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Thx again festerman and everyone else, for all your help. Mark Peterson

PS: The www.palmstrom.net website had (VIA USA) written on their website about 6 months ago, but have now deleted that wording for some reason. Maybe they don’t want people to get to the bottom of the Palmstrom child, born out of wedlock.....

Some Palmström family members who have left Norway
PERSON
TRAVEL
 
Comment
BK no.
Name
Born
Date leaving
From
To.

#1425
Johan Carl Palmstrøm
1829
1855 (?)
Kristiansand a), Norway
Australia

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This is one of the family members of the Johan Mattson Lange / Palmstrom nobility family. This is why we think that our Johan Carl Palmstrom is linked to the nobility family of Johan Mattson Lange Palmstrom.

 #36 Lorenz Palmström (1828 – 1907) og hans etterkommere i Norge (Kragerø-grenen). Lorenz var sønn av #33 Andreas Palmström og Kristina. Han flyttet til Norge i 1850-årene.

There is a connection between Peter Andreas Palmstrøm (1803) & Andreas Palmstrøm (1805) (Lorentz 1828 and Elisebeth 1844 & Ole Lauritz 1838 lived in the same street in Tyholmen in Arendal in 1865 ) They knew each other.

Looking at this excerpt from the Palmstrøm family website shows that there are unknowns in this family. For example this paragraph.

"#302 Johan Palmström1 had a daughter, #548 Anna Jonsdotter, with an unknown woman. The mother died shortly after Anna was born. Anna married #549 Petter Eriksson and their son, Jonas, took the surname "Palmström" of his grandfather."

The box of descendants from Johan Mattson Lange shows a line through the unknown woman to Jonas Palmstrøm to several children including one labelled unknown son *255'

It may be the Johan Peter Palmstrøm who was married to Marie Catherine Petersdatter Stahl who is the link.

http://palmstrom.net/AP/english/english_text.pdf

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Hi festerman. Yes their were Palmstrom families of the time. Check out www.palmstrom.net and you will see where I am going with my search, thx again, Mark Peterson

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Ok I will take time out and read what you wrote.
I really do appreciate all of your help, thx.

It’s just that my GGGrandfather Charles Peterson, came to Australia in 1856. In 1855 he married an Ellen Cavanagh in Troy, New York, USA. On his death certificate in Australia it says, born in Arendal, Norway in 1828. Their is no Charles Peterson that was born in Arendal, Norway in 1828/29. The only man born then was a Johan Carl Palmstrom, with parents Peter Andreas Palmstrom and Elizabeth Marie Larsdatter/ Thomasen. Peter Andreas Palmstrom’s father was a Johan Peter Palmstrom and his wife a Maria Catrine Pedersdatter / Staal / Stol.
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( We know that our ancestors originally came from Sweden and we know a Johan Peter Palmstrom was born in about 1763/4 in Sweden.

Here is the death and buried record for Johan Palmstrøm - he was a widower when he died, age 60: )
 
( Vest-Agder county, Kristiansand in Kristiansand, Parish register (official) no. A 9 (1821-1827), Deceased and buried 1824, Page 318
Permanent image ID: kb20070607360329
Quick link: https://www.digitalarkivet.no/kb20070607360329
Permanent image-link: http://urn.digitalarkivet.no/URN:NBN:no-a1450-kb20070607360329.jpg )


( Borgerruller for Kristiansand (a listing of persons who received citizenships in Kristiansand) page 206:
 
Johan Peter Palmstrom - Snekkermester, Swedish.
Got citizenship on the 19 December 1805 )

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The other thing is the Nobility family of Johan Mattson Lange had a Johan Carl Palmstrom leave Kragero, Norway in about 1854/55 and went to Australia VIA USA.

The missing link:
Anna Jonsdotter, (daughter of Johan Palmström and 'unknown woman').  Anna was born out of wedlock.
 She married Petter Eriksson.

1. Jonas Palmström, * About 1704, † 3 May 1760 in Stora Wrem, Bohuslän.

Jonas has probably taken the name Palmström around 1749 after his grandfather Johan (Jean) Palmström (1648-1705).

You can look it all up at www.palmstrom.net
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Our family has had a lot of the nobility family’s names throughout the years, such as; Anna Maria, Johan, Gustav, Peter, Carl, etc.

Their is absolutely NO records or certificates of that name in Australia, like Death, Marriage, Children’s baptisms or Christenings.

So I think, my Charles Peterson changed his name from Johan Carl Palmstrom, most likely when he arrived in the USA, because we found the ships passenger list from New York to Australia from 1856 with a C. Peterson and E. Peterson.

Thx Mark Peterson - Fetchitnow

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Hi festerman, thx for this, but do you have a link for - Her parents lived in Danmark until June 1777, and she's not noted when they move out to Uppsala (Danmark (C) AI:5 (1774-1780) sid 186). Thx Fetchitnow

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I also found this birth certificate:

Johan Renh. Palmstrom
9th December 1784
NEDRE ULLERUD, VARMLAND, SWEDEN
Father: Johan Palmstrom.

The other Johan Peter Palmstrom was born in 1777 in Uppsala, BUT his father BET. P. Almstrom, was born in 1762/63 and died in 1823 in Kristiansand, Norway at the age of 60. He would’ve only been a 15 year old father and Maja Caisa Safgren would’ve been about 22. Does that sound reasonable?

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Can anyone find out which year Johan Peter Palmstrom came to Kristiansand, Norway? thx Fetchitnow

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https://sok.riksarkivet.se/bildvisning/C0004339_00089#?c=&m=&s=&cv=88&xywh=478%2C1419%2C1979%2C2808

Can anyone help with the names of Sponsors or Witnesses to the baptism or christening of Johan Peter Palmstrom B 1776/77.

Also the shoemaker was only Lars Gustav’s father, correct?


Also from another persons interpretation of Brt.

As I read it, the parents are written "Fadren: Bet: Palmstrøm, Modren Maja-Caisa Safgren"
 
The words "Fadren" and "Bet:" is written with Gothic/Nordic script, while "Palmstrøm" and other names are written in Latin script.
This means that "Bet:" is (an abbreviation) for a title. To speculate, it may be "Betjänt" - i.e. some lower official/officer of state, municipality, church, institution or other organisation, inlcuding military, mining company, postal service, etc.

What do you all think?


Thx everyone.

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https://www.familysearch.org/search/hrsearch?givenname=Maria%20Casia&surname=Safgren&birth_place=Sweden&birth_year_from=1754&birth_year_to=1756&collection_id=1520594&gender=F&count=20&offset=0

2nd one down from top. Maria Catharine Safgren had a boy named Lars Gustav on the 10th March 1781 in DANMARK, UPPSALA, SWEDEN.

Maybe same person.

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Wow you guys are good. So how do I find out what Maja Casia Safgren’s husbands name was? Brt. palmstrom on FamilySearch and other people on forum have said is an abbreviation Bet.

https://sok.riksarkivet.se/bildvisning/C0004339_00089#?c=&m=&s=&cv=88&xywh=478%2C1419%2C1979%2C2808


Thx

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Hi, I’m. After help locating all of the below people’s, birth and death certificates especially for Maja Caisa Safgren. She had a boy named Johan Peter in 1777 with her partner Brt. or BET. Palmstrom in the Uppsala area. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Also need help with Johan Peter Palmstrom’s fathers 1st name please. Link attached. thx Fetchitnow

https://sok.riksarkivet.se/bildvisning/C0004339_00089#?c=&m=&s=&cv=88&xywh=478%2C1419%2C1979%2C2808

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