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General questions / Carl Niclas Rehnstrahl b.1684

« skrivet: 2018-09-14, 21:25 »

I'm searching any kind of information about Captain Carl Niclas Rehnstrahl who obviously was born in Stralsund in 1684.

He had four children (at least) with Christina Catharina Ekfelt who was born in 1686 herself.
All of their children - of which the first one was born the 9th of september in 1720- were born in Ålspånga, Bettna, Södermanland. Carl Niclas served the army in Södermanlands Regemente I think.

I would appreciate any information about Rehnstrahl's ancestry very much. Do you think his family name was some kind of "soldier name"?

Best,
Elias

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General questions / SV: Hans Holsman’s ancestry (born in 1727 in Stockholm)???

« skrivet: 2018-08-24, 19:43 »

Thank you Karis for this detail very much!

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General questions / SV: Hans Holsman’s ancestry (born in 1727 in Stockholm)???

« skrivet: 2018-08-14, 08:43 »

Thank’s Ulf for advice!

I’m not yet get very used to search from the swedish digital archives but I’ll try to find..
By the way, I found Hans Holtzman’s parents’ wedding date ”by accident”!

I found it here:
https://sok.riksarkivet.se/bildvisning/C0055603_00013?c=0&m=0&s=0&cv=0#?cv=12&z=846.0163%2C2013.3773%2C2026.2197%2C3148.4336

They got married in october 1720 in the gredadjärbataljon and Hans Holsman’s father is named as Jöns Hansson Holtzman. Now we know that Jöns’ father was Hans or he could have been Johannes as well (especially if he came from Germany).
What cours to the familyname you are probably right as it was also written as Holtzman in his copulation.

Still have to search information about Jöns Holtzman.

Do you know if there are some archives about moving in and abroad from Sweden?

Best,
E.Trygg

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General questions / Hans Holsman’s ancestry (born in 1727 in Stockholm)???

« skrivet: 2018-08-11, 23:37 »

Hey!

I’m searching information about a person named Hans Holsman who was born in 1727 according to some Finnish military rolls. Some documents mention him to have been born in 1732.
His familyname varies in different documents between Holsman, Holtzman, Haltzman, Haldtzman and Halsman..

He lived most of his life in Ristiina (Kristina) in Finland. Hans came from
Stockholm in Finland  when he was still pretty young. He  was serving in Savolax infanteriregementes Livkompani from 1746 onwards.

I don’t know when and where he met his wife Maria Treffenberg, but his wife was born in Finland anyway and their first child Erik Johan Holsman was born in Helsingfors 6th of march 1752 and they had many more children later.

About two years ago I was searching Hans with a help of familysearch.org and I found out that there was born some Hans Holsman in Svea livgardes grenadjärbataljon in Stockholm 23.6.1727.
I would appreciate a lot if some of you could figure out if this Hans might be the same person who moved later in Finland.
And I would be also very interested in his roots; Where his parents came from etc..
What do you think about his familyname? Was the name Holsman common in Sweden those days? Probably german roots?

If my ancestor Hans Holsman is the same than the one who was born in 1727 in Grenadjärbataljon in Stockholm, then his parents were Jons Haltzman and Stina Andersdotter Halling.
So, i’m basically looking for clues about this Jons Haltzman and his roots.
But all information about his son Hans will be also highly appreciated!
First of all would be important to know if I’m searching documents about the right person.

Best regards,

E. Trygg

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General questions / SV: Adolph Procopé's (cirka 1717-1798) parents?

« skrivet: 2018-05-09, 15:58 »

Those letters written by A. Procopé are indeed very interesting and important for my investigations, thank's a lot!

Yes, the family name comes from Adolph's father's side.

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General questions / SV: Adolph Procopé's (cirka 1717-1798) parents?

« skrivet: 2018-04-03, 22:40 »

Thank you, Niklas! You have been such a great help on this!
My biggest problem was to find Adoph's parents and I think you did it. It was difficult to search his birth since I had no certain date of birth or even a birth year for him. I was pretty sure he was born in Sweden (no signs in Finnish archives during his childhood) and I knew that many members of Procopé family had lived in Sweden. It's always good if someone knows where to search.

Many thank's!

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General questions / SV: Adolph Procopé's (cirka 1717-1798) parents?

« skrivet: 2018-03-26, 12:31 »

The last questions about this subject:

Do you find the date and place of Adolph's and Catharina's marriage?
I think it could have happened about in 1744-1745 according to the first common child's date of birth.

Can you find any mentions of Adolf dying in Sweden during the last decade of 18th century? According to Finnish military rolls he moved back to  15th of May 1793. There is no mention about the precise place.

To go a bit further in this "research" I would like to know your opinion about what was Adolph's father's, Karl Christiansson Procopé's reason to spend probably years in Sweden if he served as lieutenant in "Åbo läns Kavallier regemente".
His second child Erik Johan Carlsson Procopé is mentioned to be born in 27.5.1716 in Piteå Sweden, so I think that Karl Procopé must have moved quite a lot. What happened in Sweden those days or was it normal to move that much?

Thank's!

Elias

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General questions / SV: Adolph Procopé's (cirka 1717-1798) parents?

« skrivet: 2018-03-25, 21:51 »

Fantastic discoveries, thank you very much!
This Adolf must be the same, thank's Niklas, wonderful job!

I will probably post here another "family mystery", if some of you would be able to help me!

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General questions / SV: Adolph Procopé's (cirka 1717-1798) parents?

« skrivet: 2018-03-25, 09:42 »

Hi Sven-Ove!

I found it via this link:

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:QV3S-RVVL

-Elias

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General questions / SV: Adolph Procopé's (cirka 1717-1798) parents?

« skrivet: 2018-03-24, 23:16 »

Thank's Lina and Niklas for your answers!

I don't know much about Adolph, but here is a little list about the phases of his life I know:

- He was born 1717 according to finnish military rolls (but you cannot count on them always), so I think this 30.5.1720 could be actually correct because there is an exact date of birth. It's also important to know that he was born in Finland. I thought he was born in Sweden since there have been many Procopé family members living and working also in Sweden already from the 17th century onwards...

-His first son Andreas was born in 1745 somewhere in Södermanland.

-His daughter Maria Elisabet was born 16. May 1750 in Stavhälla, Västra Vingåker, Södermanland.

-His son Carl Gustaf was born 20. Juny 1754 also in Stavhälla, Västra Vingåker.

-His son Gotthard Adolf was born 4. Decembre 1756 in Lerbo, Sweden.

-His last child Gabriel Erik Procopé was born in Ristiina Finland, 11. May 1758.

-There is a mentioning that he moved back to Sweden from Ristiina 15th of May in 1793.

-I have also found a mentioning that he died in 1796, but I cannot remember where I found this "fact". Was he buried in Finland or Sweden, that I don't have any idea about.

-His wife and mother of those children above was Catharina Elisabet Rehnstrahl, born in Sweden Bettna in 1720. I don't have any idea when and where they got married but that must have happened in Sweden.

(By the way, I also discovered sergeant Adolph Procopé and some Catharina Norström got a baby in Stockholm ((Klara Församling)) 25. March in 1744. It's a boy named Carl Eric Andersson Norström. Probably a child outside marriage? Who knows.. And that boy is named after "Anders", so is it possible his name was actually Anders, not Adolph?

I don't know if this helps at all as there's not much information. Procopé family comes originally from Finland and it used to be very wide spread already in those days.

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General questions / Adolph Procopé's (cirka 1717-1798) parents?

« skrivet: 2018-03-22, 12:06 »

Hi everyone!

I'm trying to find my ancestor's, Adolph Procopé's parents but unfortunately haven't succeed to find any clue about his birth.

He came to Finland (Ristiina to be more precise) from Sweden during years 1757-1758 and he had already four children with Catharina Elisabet Rehnstrahl who was born 9.9.1720 in Ålspånga, Bettna, Sweden. Children' names were Andreas, Maria Elisabet, Carl Gustaf and Gotthard Adolf. Maroa Elisabeth och Carl Gustaf were born in Stavhälla, Västra Vingåker.

Adolph Procopé worked as a sergeant in Finland and there is a mentioning in the Finnish military archives that he came from Sweden and was born in 1717.
He also left back to Sweden in 1793.
His last child Gabriel Erik Procopé was born in May 1757 already in Finland.

I would appreciate very much if some of you could help me to figure out who were Adolph Procopé's parents!


Some information about him I have found:

Efterträddes 22/8 1755 vid Östra Rekarne kompani, Södermanlands regemente, av sin svåger Jöns Fredrik Silfwerbrand. "Rulla över Befälskårerna vid Sveriges Armé och Flotta 1755"/Ulla Johanson 1976. Bosatt på Stavhälla i Västra Vingåker.

Best, Elias Trygg