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Titel: Randaberg förbindelse mellan kung Sigurd Jorsalafares dotter och Ragnhild, gift med Norges hertig Skule
Skrivet av: M.Sjöström skrivet 2007-02-08, 02:17
I have came across genealogies where there is a belief that Ragnhild, wife of Duke Skule, and mother of queen Margret, ancestress of almost all subsequent kings of Norway up to today; would have been daughter of Jon of Randaberg and (more importantly) his wife Ragnhild Erlingsdottir, who herself was daughter of Kristin Sigurdsdottir of Norway, daughter of king Sigurd I of Norway, nicknamed the Jerusalem-pilgrim.
I have discussed this with some of good medieval genealogists, and thus far it seems that while it is just one theory among several, it has not been totally rejected.
Does anyone know what are the precise grounds for the belief of that said lineage between king Sigurd Jorsalafare and king Magnus Lagaböter?
What, if any, would be primary sources for that precise daughter-mother-relationship between Ragnhild Erlingsdottir and Ragnhild Skuleswife, (a) giving the relationship explicitly or near-explicitly? (b) indicating or suggesting its existence?
What are historical facts that indicate or support that lineage? What would be historical facts that tend to disprove it?
Would there be any scholarly work, källkritiska secondary sources, to present that very genealogical relationship? (and what are those secondary sources, precisely named?)
Personally, having checked some of facts (I am sure I am not yet aware of all relevant historical knowledge related to this issue), the connection seems yet possible, but improbable:
1) Duke Skule was born in c 1190 (and possibly even a couple of years later) whereas because Ragnhild Erlingsdottir's first husband Jon of Randaberg was killed in June 1179, any child of that marriage must have been born in 1180 at latest, and probably was born already some years earlier. While it is possible that for the sake of important advantages, a boy would have been married to a lady even 15 years his senior, that however was not customary nor anything else than rare. Nor seems there be any indication in sources that ranghild would have been much older than Skule. A lady born in 1170s, would have customarily been married (for the first time) already before the year 1200, and Skule was not yet at that time marriageable. There is no reference to an earlier marriage of Ragnhild Skuleswife (though even that would be possible). If born in 1170s, Ragnhild Skuleswife would have been, by medieval standards, quite old (in her thirties or more) when giving birth to her attested daughters Margret, Ingerid and Ragnrid. Not impossible, of course, but more likely would, again, be a wife in her twenties. On the other hand, it seems certain that even if a Randaberg, she would not have been much over 40 at the time of birth of any of her attested daughters with Skule.
2) Were Ragnhild Skuleswife a descendant of king Sigurd Jorsalafare, that would have been a fact worth boasting, both - by Duke Skule when claiming the royal throne, and already earlier, when challenging royal authority, and when taking the helm of what practically had been the Bagler faction - by Earl Knut Haakonson, husband of Ragnhild's daughter Ingerid - and by king Haakon IV, and monarchs of Norway who descended from Margret: Magnus VI, Eric II, Haakon V, and so forth Indeed, knowing the weight the medieval culture put to descent, such descent would have been something like today's Highlighted in Media However, we know of no mention (or do we?) of that descent in Haakon IV's Saga nor in Magnus VI's Saga, not either in any other chronicle, legend or folklore of Scandinavia. Personally I find the absence of such public and preserved boast a strong indication of the improbability of the genealogical connection at issue here. (Of course, absence of evidence is not evidence of absence, but in cases like this, such absence is very indicative - some facts are just such that if the fact has existed, there almost certainly would be evidence.)