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Geografiskt relaterat => Socknar => Värmland => Landskap => Dalby => Ämnet startat av: Mark Molander skrivet 2021-12-02, 03:15

Titel: Elfdalen?
Skrivet av: Mark Molander skrivet 2021-12-02, 03:15

I have an ancestor Karin Larsdotter who has been hard to track.  She was born roughly 1752 (do not know where), and had a child Karin Persdotter in Dalby in 1785, but I soon lost track of her after that.  Late in life she moved to Fryksände in 1823, from a place that looks like it might be Elfdalen, but looks more like Elfvahlen.  Any suggestion for what this place name could be?

https://sok.riksarkivet.se/bildvisning/C0037167_00155#?c=&m=&s=&cv=154&xywh=80%2C678%2C3264%2C5036

Any help would be appreciated.  I've gotten a bit stuck on this one.

Titel: SV: Elfdalen?
Skrivet av: Sune Andersson skrivet 2021-12-02, 07:18

The place is Elfdahlen=Älvdalen parish

Titel: SV: Elfdalen?
Skrivet av: Stefan Dake skrivet 2021-12-02, 08:29

Not in this case. Dalby is a parish in Värmland, not Dalarna. It was a part of Älvdals district (härad) wich contained the parishes Dalby, Ekshärad, Gustav Adolf, Hagfors, Norra Finnskoga, Norra Ny, Norra Råda, Nyskoga, Sunnemo and Södra Finnskoga. I myself am 50% "älvdaling". My mother was also born in Dalby.

Titel: SV: Elfdalen?
Skrivet av: Mark Molander skrivet 2021-12-06, 02:37

Sune and Stefan, thanks so much for your suggestions. 

Per Stefan's tip, I just looked through the house records for most of the 10 parishes in the old Älvdals district (härad) and couldn't find her.  However, a few of the parishes, such as two near her previous home parish of Dalby - Norra Finnskoga and Södra Finnskoga - don't have records dating back that far.  So, perhaps that's why the more specific parish name wasn't listed - the larger district name was used instead?

Per Sune's tip, the two names are so close (Elfdahlen as recorded and Älvdalen the actual parish) I don't think i should rule it out yet.  Also, there were no other "Elfdahlen" entries in Fryksände's house record at that time, so perhaps that could indicate it was a little farther away - not an adjacent parish.

So, I still haven't been able to fully resolve this one yet, but thanks for the help.  And in looking into this deeper I did just learn there's an old Norse language still spoken with a similar name - Elfdalien - so I can't help but wonder if she might have spoken that!

Regards, Mark

Titel: SV: Elfdalen?
Skrivet av: Stefan Jernberg skrivet 2021-12-07, 05:27

Mark,


Try to find her marriage, it should mention where she comes from.


Med vänliga hälsningar
Stefan Jernberg, Gustafs

Titel: SV: Elfdalen?
Skrivet av: Gunnar Jonsson skrivet 2021-12-07, 17:39

In this case, Elfdahln should denote Älvdals district in Värmland. The name is often used for Ekshärad parish. But Älvdals härad consisted of more parishes as shown on the map. More information about the parishes can be found on http://varmlandsrotter.se/varmland/h-alvdal-start.htm (http://varmlandsrotter.se/varmland/h-alvdal-start.htm)

Titel: SV: Elfdalen?
Skrivet av: Marcus Boman skrivet 2021-12-08, 19:43

Karin Persdotter's parents (Per Persson, Karin Larsdotter) in hfl around 1785?
See https://sok.riksarkivet.se/bildvisning/C0036845_00150


Karin's birth record in Dalby 1785 (No. 20)?
 See https://sok.riksarkivet.se/bildvisning/C0036871_00032

Titel: SV: Elfdalen?
Skrivet av: Marcus Boman skrivet 2021-12-08, 19:45

Admin: This thread should (most likely) be moved and placed under Värmland.

Titel: SV: Elfdalen?
Skrivet av: Marcus Boman skrivet 2021-12-09, 08:15

And of course also see page https://sok.riksarkivet.se/bildvisning/C0036845_00105 (https://sok.riksarkivet.se/bildvisning/C0036845_00105)
On the page Karin born 1785, her mother Karin Larsdotter born 1752 and grandparents in Amnerud, Dalby circa 1785-1790.
This thread should be moved to Dalby, Värmland.