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Våxtorp church books state that his man was born 27th of Oct, 1779
I have been told that we was born in Habo parish. There is one Johan Eric, born in Feb 1779.
Does anyone know the parents of Mr Hammar :)
Juha
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I'm trying to track that boy born in feb 1779, but it isn't too easy. First of all, his fathers last name isn't Andersson as is stated in the birth notice, it's Arvidsson. Took a while to figure that out. The family is leasing the land in Dykärr, but moves away in about 1793 to Flategärde in Bottnaryd parish. Anders Arvidsson dies there in 1800, and Johan Eric moves away to Mulseryd parish in 1801. I have not yet found him there, but I will go on looking for him later if noone else hasn't found him already then.
Last place I see Johan Eric, here called just Jon:
https://sok.riksarkivet.se/bildvisning/C0019909_00049#?c=&m=&s=&cv=48&xywh=-802%2C1548%2C5101%2C2402
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Tack!
Havent noticed him yet!
Juha
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Våxtorp church books state that his man was born 27th of Oct, 1779
I have been told that we was born in Habo parish. There is one Johan Eric, born in Feb 1779.
Does anyone know the parents of Mr Hammar :)
Juha
Hello! J E Hammar is my fathers mothers fathers fathers father. I have also tried to find him. My aunt had been told from my grandmother that his parents were unknown and that he was raised in a family named Hammar. She said that a old lady in the family “knew” that the real father was a noble man from the titled Wrangel-family. In his first marriage J E was married a women from a noble family (Agneta Kristina Gyllensvärd). I have no idea if it is any truth at all in this family-stories. But it’s really frustrating not being able to find him anywhere. I also found the boy born in February. Please let me know if you find out something more.
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Did you find out anything about the boy you tried to track. I am curious. :)
I'm trying to track that boy born in feb 1779, but it isn't too easy. First of all, his fathers last name isn't Andersson as is stated in the birth notice, it's Arvidsson. Took a while to figure that out. The family is leasing the land in Dykärr, but moves away in about 1793 to Flategärde in Bottnaryd parish. Anders Arvidsson dies there in 1800, and Johan Eric moves away to Mulseryd parish in 1801. I have not yet found him there, but I will go on looking for him later if noone else hasn't found him already then.
Last place I see Johan Eric, here called just Jon:
https://sok.riksarkivet.se/bildvisning/C0019909_00049#?c=&m=&s=&cv=48&xywh=-802%2C1548%2C5101%2C2402
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Well, at least that part with Agneta Christina Gyllensvärd is true. She died 3 january 1824, from child birth complications.
https://sok.riksarkivet.se/bildvisning/C0012007_00141#?c=&m=&s=&cv=140&xywh=2779%2C398%2C3084%2C1946
He soon remarried though, a Hedvig Charlotta Wesström. They got a daughter, Agneta Margareta 24 dec 1825.
https://sok.riksarkivet.se/bildvisning/C0012007_00016#?c=&m=&s=&cv=15&xywh=2243%2C935%2C4439%2C2802
That child born in feb 1779 was orphaned and grew up in a foster family, but they was not named Hammar. And when I lose track of him in 1801 he was already 22 years old and still only a farmhand. I can't see how he would marry a noble woman like Gyllensvärd just a few years later, such only happens in movies. So I think we can forget about him.
But lets track Hammar backwards instead. The first note I have of him is when Agneta Christina Gyllensvärd dies. At that point they lived at Menlösa in Våxtorp parish, and Hammar was not yet "länsman". But Gyllensvärd was born 1787 in Kånna parish, far from both Våxtorp and Habo. So lets see what we can find...
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So they was married 26 march 1822 and Hammar already lived at Menlösa.
https://sok.riksarkivet.se/bildvisning/C0012006_00188#?c=&m=&s=&cv=187&xywh=2522%2C509%2C3637%2C2296 (https://sok.riksarkivet.se/bildvisning/C0012006_00188#?c=&m=&s=&cv=187&xywh=2522%2C509%2C3637%2C2296)
Here I can almost read where Hammar came from, it starts with Westergötland, but what does the next line say? It probably ends with -stad.
https://sok.riksarkivet.se/bildvisning/C0011991_00015#?c=&m=&s=&cv=14&xywh=502%2C358%2C2762%2C1476 (https://sok.riksarkivet.se/bildvisning/C0011991_00015#?c=&m=&s=&cv=14&xywh=502%2C358%2C2762%2C1476)
It isn't much clearer in Arkiv Digital:
https://app.arkivdigital.se/volume/v93910?image=9&page=6 (https://app.arkivdigital.se/volume/v93910?image=9&page=6)
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Thank you! I have tried to read but it seems impossible. Frustrating! But I also think it ends with -stad. Is the X-stad the place where he was born or the place he moved from? There are not som many places in Västergötland named X-stad. Mariestad mabey? But I dont know i Västergötland 2021 is the same area as Westergötland 1779. I have tried to track him in the archives but I am not very experienced. Thought about flyttlängderna, if I can find him when he moved to Menlösa?
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Never mind, that place is for Gyllensvärd anyway. I found them in an older book, and it's almost possible to read there.
https://sok.riksarkivet.se/bildvisning/C0010737_00183#?c=&m=&s=&cv=182&xywh=263%2C1011%2C2983%2C1594
I think Hammar arrived in Våxtorp not to long before he married Gyllensvärd in 1822. Maybe he came 1820-21? It would be perfect if there was "flyttlängder" for those years, but it doesn't seem to be any.
Hammar was 43 years old when he married Gyllensvärd. He must have left a lot of clues where ever he was before he came to Våxtorp. Somewhere in Västergötland, but that's a big place. Maybe Habo as stated in the starting post, Habo is at least partly i Västergötland. And there seems to be many "Hammar" around Jönköping, so maybe there was some in Habo also.
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Thank you! No there was no flyttlängder only inflyttningsattester, but didn´t find anything there. Yes Västergötland is really big! But mabey I will find him. It says everewhwhere that he is from Westergötland. As you say he is 43 years old when he gets married. He must have leaved som traces ... But it seems hard to know how to find them.
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Maybe he took the name Hammar because he was from Habo? Both starting with Ha. He might not even have that last name untill he is adult
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That´s an intresting thought. You don´t think that there is any possibility that the orphaned child grew up and at the age of 43 married a noble women? You are right that it seems like a fairytale and I guess that it just didn´t happen at that time. But there is no other boy named Johan Erik borned in Habo 1779.
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I'm not sure, but I think they needed some kind of education to become "kronobefallningsman" (I have not yet seen him as länsman). At the very least he needed to know how to read and do math, one of the dutys seem to be to collect taxes. School was expensive at that time, and the boy born in Feb 1779 did not go to any school as long as I could follow him at least. The foster family was not very rich. So I still don't think he's the one.
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Maybe he was born out of wedlock by some poor young woman, not in the birth record for some reason. A lot of children is missing from the records, that wouldn't be so strange. And maybe a Wrangel really was the secret father. And maybe the mother had to give away the child to someone else to foster. Many unmarried women had to do that. And in the background Wrangel paid all the expenses for the child, including education. Later, when the child needed a last name, he couldn't take Wrangel, so he chose Hammar in stead, from Habo or maybe it was his foster family's name. And eventually Wrangel helped him getting a good job, and maybe introduced him to his friends in the Gyllensvärd family. It isn't impossible.
If he grew up in Habo, I guess he might have gotten education in Skara? There was a school there, "Skara högre allmänna läroverk", and it isn't too far from Habo. There is a book over the students, but it seems to stop at 1793. That's probably one or a few years too early for someone born in 1779. But maybe Riksarkivet has the next book, even if Arkiv Digital doesn't.
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So many interesting thoughts! Thank you. Yes he must have had education for becoming a Kronobefallningsman. So I guess we can forget about the orphan born in 1779. I checked for Johan Eric in i birth-register (in one of the bilagor) but there is no other Johan Eric registred any other date or year in Habo. (I thought that it was a small possibility that he was born 1778 or 1780) But school i Skara sounds interesting. I can try to check it out. Yes mabey Wrangel had something to do with it ... It was my grandmother that heard from har mothers brothers wife that one of the Hammar-cousins "knew" that. Might just have been gossip.
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I was checking the ”inflyttningsattester” 1811-1821 to see if his name was there. It was, but it was kind of a strange note. Not an inflyttningsattest. https://sok.riksarkivet.se/bildvisning/C0010760_00323#?c=&m=&s=&cv=322&xywh=-108%2C-1323%2C4411%2C7505
I think it says “Betalas innan varan får bortföras. Menlösa den 1 oktober 1821. Efter anmodan JE Hammar. Haslöf” But what does it mean? (i do understas what it does mean, I just don’t understand why this note is put with the inflyttningsattester and how it might help me)
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Looks like the top half, where all the good stuff must have been, is missing
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The complete note is https://sok.riksarkivet.se/bildvisning/C0010760_00294, it's an announcement for an auction. Has nothing to do with "inflyttningsattester", maybe it was used as a wrapper at the time?
Edit: yes, it's the wrapper for attester 1820 ... :)
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Haha! A wrapper. That’s a little bit frustrating. But fascinating to se his name, written by his hand. Does it say 1821? Then at least I know that he lived and worked there then (before getting married 1822).
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It's dated October 1st, 1821, at Menlösa, and announces an auction to be held on the 8th of the same month.
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So Våxtorp belongs with Hasslöf, I didn't think to check that before. But now, when I search Hasslöv, I find Hammar there before he married. At "Stora Domestorp säteri", as a "Ladufogde", 36 years old in 1820. Lets see if we can track him backwards from there.
https://sok.riksarkivet.se/bildvisning/A0006281_00128#?c=&m=&s=&cv=127&xywh=159%2C1253%2C3620%2C2285 (https://sok.riksarkivet.se/bildvisning/A0006281_00128#?c=&m=&s=&cv=127&xywh=159%2C1253%2C3620%2C2285)
It seems like ha arrived at Domestorp in 1815, first in the tax records for 1816
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I found another interesting "flyttbevis". In 1815 a Jöns Hammar, born jan 9 1783, moved to Domestorp with his family. This must be connected to Johan Eric Hammar in some way or another. They came from Stjernarp.
Here is a link to Arkiv Digital:
https://app.arkivdigital.se/volume/v662972?image=900 (https://app.arkivdigital.se/volume/v662972?image=900)
I havn't found it at Riksarkivet yet.
Maybe that's the Hammar in Domestorp, and not Johan Eric? But they might still be related.
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Hello! I have also found him in new places.
Hasslövs kyrkoarkiv, https://sok.riksarkivet.se/bildvisning/C0010737_00110#?c=&m=&s=&cv=109&xywh=159%2C489%2C4673%2C2262
Kronolänsman Hammar
https://sok.riksarkivet.se/bildvisning/C0010737_00024#?c=&m=&s=&cv=23&xywh=-109%2C-135%2C8277%2C4008
Here it sais he came from lilla Foglesång (Foglesång is also where his first wife lived)
https://sok.riksarkivet.se/bildvisning/C0011990_00112#?c=&m=&s=&cv=111&xywh=-143%2C-183%2C3902%2C1889
Hammar? But i can´t read the letter/name before Hammar.
https://sok.riksarkivet.se/bildvisning/C0010760_00127#?c=&m=&s=&cv=126&xywh=1942%2C209%2C5285%2C2559
I don´t know if this is related to him. Have some problems reading it. And it is from a man named Hammar in Halmstad.
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I guess Jöns Hammar was a dead end. He seems not to be related to Johan Eric Hammar, but maybe he took his name from Halmstad.
There was a rich family named Hammar in Halmstad, if Johan Eric really was an orphan from Västergötland that family might be where he grew up.
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Yes I found the Hammar-family in Halmstad (not in the Kyrkoarkiv, havent lookt there yet, but in an other persons family-three at Geni). One of them were Kronolänsman. Can try to see if there is any traces from J E being a fosterchild in one of the Hammar-families. Feels like looking for a "nål i en höstack". What I know is that J E Hammar was in Foglesång in 1814 but before that I don´t know.