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Geografiskt relaterat => Socknar => Skåne => Landskap => Kristianstad => Ämnet startat av: Anna Martinsson skrivet 2015-07-02, 09:03
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Ola was born in the US
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I assume you mean Olaf. All of his US census records say he was born in Sweden. Unfortunately, I cannot find any ship records for the family.
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Hi David, at www.findagrave.com there's a record for Ellen Olson who's buried at Riverside Cemetery, Moline, Illinois.
Birth: Mar. 6, 1831
Death: Jul. 18, 1901
Burial: Riverside Cemetery Moline Rock Island County Illinois, USA
There's a photo posted there of her headstone, which shows she was the wife of Peter O. Olson.
At the same cemetery Anna Olson Stenson is buried.
Birth: Dec., 1862, Sweden
Death: Mar. 24, 1947
Chicago, Cook County, Illinois, USA
Wife of Carl Stenson. Both lived in Moline for most of their lives. Married 2 Apr 1892.
Family links:
Spouse: Carl Stenson (1863 - 1933)
Burial: Riverside Cemetery Moline Rock Island County Illinois, USA
And this is from Illinois Deaths and Stillbirths, 1916-1947 at www.familysearch.org.
Name: Anna Stenson
Event Date: 24 Mar 1947
Event Place: Chicago, Cook Co., Illinois
Gender: Female
Age: 84
Birth Year (Estimated): 1863
Birth Date: 15 Dec 1862
Birthplace: Sweden
Father's Birthplace: Sweden
Mother's Birthplace: Sweden
Occupation: housewife
Residence Place: Chicago, Cook Co., Illinois
Spouse's Name: Carl
Burial Date: 27 Mar 1947
Burial Place: Maline, Rock Island, Illinois
Cemetery: Riverside
Digital Folder Number: 4005423 , Image Number: 2446 , GS Film number: 1991630 , Reference ID: 9729
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Thanks.
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Hi David, this entry from Illinois Deaths and Stillbirths, 1916-1947 at www.familysearch.org looks to me like it is the Olof Olson whose family emigrated from Äsphult in 1865.
Name: Olof Olson
Event Date: 04 Nov 1940
Event Place: Chicago, Cook, Illinois
Gender: Male
Age: 76
Birth Year (Estimated): 1864
Birth Date: 05 Jul 1864
Birthplace: Sweden
Father's Name: Peter O. Olson
Father's Birthplace: Sweden
Mother's Name: Elna Orion [Americanized Örjan]
Mother's Birthplace: Sweden
Occupation: painter
Residence Place: Chicago, Cook, Illinois
Spouse's Name: Sophie
Burial Date: 05 Nov 1940
Burial Place: Rock Island, Rock Island, Illinois
Cemetery: Local
And this likely is the same man from the 1900 US census:
Household Role Gender Age Birthplace
Olof Olson Head M 36 Sweden
Event Place: South Rock Island Township Sears Village, Rock Island, Illinois, United States
Marital Status: Married
Race: White
Years Married: 10
Birth Date: Jul 1864
Birthplace: Sweden
Marriage Year (Estimated): 1890
Immigration Year: 1870
Father's Birthplace: Sweden
Mother's Birthplace: Sweden
Sophie Olson Wife F 34 Germany
Grace E. Olson Daughter F 9 Illinois
Cyrus C Olson Son M 6 Illinois
If this is not your ancestor, I fear you may be on the wrong track in your research.
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Djurröd CI:2 (1768-1845) Image 730 / page 67 (AID: v98138a.b730.s67, NAD: SE/LLA/13060) has the birth of Ola Persson on 31 Dec 1795. Can someone read the names of the parents (the first names are clearly Per and Elna)? Unfortunately Djurröd does not have household survey records until 1813 so finding the parents is going to be difficult.
I believe I found Ola on Djurröd AI:1 (1813-1817) Image 78 / page 69 (AID: v98122.b78.s69, NAD: SE/LLA/13060) where he moves to Skepparslov in 1816. Unfortunately this parish does not having moving in records in 1816 so tracking in after that until he appears in Äsphult in 1829 with the birth of his first son. I cannot find him in the 1813 to 1830 records, probably as pages are missing for the early part of that period and the last data seems to be for 1828.
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Carl, I have Olof in the USA starting with the 1870 census in Chicago and then to Moline, Rock Island in the 1880 census. I believe he moved to Kenosha Wisconsin around 1920 and died in Chicago 24 Feb 1924 and is buried with his wife Josephine in Kenosha. The biggest problem with him is that he does not have a birth record as it appears he was born around the time they were leaving for America.
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David, that is not easy to read, but Ola get a brother Sven on May 23 1801, Djurröd CI:2 (1768-1845) Bild 790 / sid 73 (AID: v98138a.b790.s73, NAD: SE/LLA/13060). The parents are Murges(ällen) (Mason apprentice) Per Djurlöf and Wife Elna Clementsdotter in Djurröd's House (i.e. a house on Djurröd's property with no farming land).
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David, the death record for the Olof Olson who died in Chicago in 1940 indicated that his father was Peter O. Olson and gave his mother's name as Elna Orion, which is equivalent to Örjan. While Peter Olson is a fairly common name, Örjan is not so common, and it appears clear that the mother in the 1870 and 1880 census is Elna Örjansdotter who emigrated in 1865 with her husband and children. Also the headstone for Elna/Ellen indicated her husband was named Peter O. Olson. Therefore it is likely that the Olof Olson you found in the 1870 and 1880 census is the one who died in 1940 rather than your ancestor.
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Elna Clemmetsdotter died 1802-02-10, Djurröd CI:2 (1768-1845) Bild 1650 / sid 159 (AID: v98138a.b1650.s159, NAD: SE/LLA/13060). 46 years old, thus born ca 1756. I find nothing more about them in Djurröd.
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Carl, in the 1870 census in Chicago Ward 18, I have Peter, Ellen (the parents), Nels, Anna, and Olof with dates that match the birth dates. Two children have been added in the years since arrive Sophia and John. All of these plus Gustaf added in 1872 appear in the 1880 census in Moline, IL. I have seen the Olof who died in 1940 in earlier census and decided he did not match.
Leif, thanks for the information, the records in that area are not very good. Anna Martinsson thought Ola's father's name was Giörslöf based on his birth record on Image 730/Page 67. Look close enough to be the same person but looking at them, I am uncertain. Looking at both, what do you think? Thanks for the details on the property, etc.
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Looking at Ola the name is probably spelled Giörlöf, but for Sven on page 73 it is completely clear that his name is Djurlöf. Djur (=animal) is taken from Djur-röd and löf = leaf. Several people in Djurröd have names using Djur-. However, according to ArkivDigital, Djurröd has also been spelled Görröd, thus Giörlöf and Djurlöf are the same, with almost the same pronounciation, but Djurlöf beeing a more modern spelling. And animal is the modern interpretation, the old meaning might be something else. Thus this couple got two kids in Djurröd 1795 ann 1801, then the wife died 1802, but so far we know nothing about them before and after that period. Elna was probably not born in Djurröd, Per might be born in Djurröd but his father was probably not named Djurlöf, as Per probably took that name as a Mason. Does Anna know more?
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Anna said that she thinks she agrees with you. She suggested looking for the marriage which I believe is 6 Apr 1795 in Djurröd CI:2 (1768-1845) Image 140 / page 8 (AID: v98138a.b140.s8, NAD: SE/LLA/13060). It appears they are both from Maglehult. His name is Per Mansson at this time, if this is the correct marriage record. The timing is about right to have their first son at the end of December of that year.
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perhaps Ola was born on the move! sort of speak. like on the boat or in a harbour on the way, so that´s why we can´t find his birth?
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Hi David, here is proof that you have the wrong Olaf Olson in the 1870 and 1880 censuses. As you already know, this is your ancestor in the 1900 census:
Name: Olof Oleson
Event Type: Census
Event Year: 1900
Event Place: Mt. Pleasant Township Morrison city Ward 1-3, Whiteside, Illinois, United States
Gender: Male
Age: 36
Marital Status: Married
Race: White
Race (Original): W
Relationship to Head of Household: Head
Relationship to Head of Household (Original): Head
Years Married: 13
Birth Date: May 1864
Birthplace: Sweden
Marriage Year (Estimated): 1887
Immigration Year: 1881
Father's Birthplace: Sweden
Mother's Birthplace: Sweden
This is your ancestor from the Emibas CD:
Post 377089
Olsson, Olof
Husmansson (unmarried man)
b. 5/14/1863 in Mjällby, Blekinge län (Blekinge)
Emigrated 4/27/1880 from Hörby 6, Mjällby, Blekinge län (Blekinge) to Amerika
Source: Household Examination Roll, p. 480
Emibas migration file ID: Mjällby K 1880 016
Olof was the son of Ola Nilsson and Karna Jönsdotter. Ola Nilsson died 4 Aug 1895 in Mjällby and in his Bouppteckning (estate inventory: Listers häradsrätt FII:42 (1894-1895) Bild 5350 / sid 533) it was stated that his son Olof was in Morison, Ill., Nord Amerika. Incidentally, Olof had a brother Per born 2 Mar 1873 and a sister Bengta born 18 Aug 1865 who both were living in Morrison in 1895 according to the Bouppteckning. Bengta was married to A. B. Anderson.
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Carl, that is very interesting. This linkage has the advantage that the immigration year matches the census which was a concern (not that census are always correct). In addition I have found none of the brothers or sisters in the current set are familiar to me. I will also request the marriage license for Olaf and Catherine Irion from Whiteside county as these have useful information to help in confirmation.
There is a Peter Olson in Union Grove in 1893, immigrated in 1883. Do you know when he emigrated? If so, he and his offspring are not familiar, not that this is critical. I can't find her in 1900 or beyond, although it is hard to say what she changed her name to in America.
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I see him and his brother departing in Mjällby AI:18 (1879-1887) Image 2390 / page 480 (AID: v96423a.b2390.s480, NAD: SE/LLA/13269). And the sister in Mjällby AI:22 (1887-1896) Image 2320 / page 480 (AID: v96427a.b2320.s480, NAD: SE/LLA/13269). Thanks.
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David, if you haven't already obtained it, you can download Olaf's death certificate at https://www.cookcountygenealogy.com/, which is the website of the Cook County Clerk's Office. You'll have to register and there's a $17 fee for each certificate. It's possible his parents' names will be listed even though that information wasn't in the index records for him at Ancestry.com and familysearch.org.
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David,
I think you refer to marriage no 2 1795. It is Per Bengtson married to Elna Persdotter, thus not the right couple. They are found at Djurröd AI:1 (1813-1817) Bild 163 / sid 159 (AID: v98122.b163.s159, NAD: SE/LLA/13060). It does not say her last name, but when their son Bengt is born, Djurröd CI:2 (1768-1845) Bild 740 / sid 68 (AID: v98138a.b740.s68, NAD: SE/LLA/13060), it say that her name is Persdotter, and they live in Maglehult, thus the right couple. In the marriage record his name really looks more like Mangtson, but it must be Bengtsson. They are married May 5.
Anna, yes, but the question is when they actually traveled. I don't think 8/5 1865 is the day that they got an Attest and started to travel.
Carl and David, I am confused. You talk about your ancestor, but is it not two different persons? And the one we are investigating now, is it the right Olof at all?
Leif
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David, Olof's mother and sister Mathilda emigrated to the US in 1897 (Mjällby AIIa:1 (1897-1911) Bild 277 / sid 266). Here is the mother from the Emigranten CD.
First name: KARNA
Last name: JÖNSDOTTER
Age: 55 Gender: K
Parish: MJELLBY County: K
Port: GÖTEBORG
Date: 1897 03 31
Destination: MORRISON ILL
Fellows: NEJ
Source: 59:273:10645
And this is probably Karna in the 1910 census, Bessie is probably Olaf's sister Bengta.
Name: Carrie Olson
Age in 1910: 68
Birth Year: abt 1842
Birthplace: Sweden
Home in 1910: MT Pleasant, Whiteside, Illinois
Race: White
Gender: Female
Immigration Year: 1898
Relation to Head of House: Mother-in-law (Mother)
Marital Status: Widowed
Father's Birthplace: Sweden
Mother's Birthplace: Sweden
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
Benjamin Anderson 53
Bessie Anderson 45
Edith M Anderson 20
Leonard B Anderson 10
Roy Anderson 15
Carrie Olson 68
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Mjällby CI:9 (1849-1861) Image 195 / page 375 (AID: v96442.b195.s375, NAD: SE/LLA/13269). I assume this means the marriage or Ola and Karna was final on 31 Dec 1859? What are the comments? Thanks.
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Leif, I believe that Carl has found that the initial Olaf Olsen that we have been tracing previously, who emigrated in 1865, is not my ancestor. As Carl pointed out correctly, the 1900 census is a known truth as my grandmother is listed along with many other known relatives. In this census, Olaf says he emigrated in 1881 which matches the other Olaf that he found from Mjallby. Sorry for the confusion and extra work (although it might help Anna). I was following previous work on my ancestor and got misled.
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I guess we should move to another message area but I am not sure which one.
Mjällby AI:9 (1851-1862) Image 2010 / page 198 (AID: v96414a.b2010.s198, NAD: SE/LLA/13269) has the parents of Karna. Jons Svensson and Halena (sp?) Jonsdotter born where?
And, yes, I am working my way backward. Lots of kids along the way. Thanks.
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Ancestry.com gave me my answer to the last question. Malena Jonsdotter born in Ysane to Jons Sorensson and Karna Persdotter.
That leaves the marriage question outstanding.
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Carl, Ancestry suggests that they are in Hunter Jackson Minnesota in the 1900 census with great name matches (mother and daughter), birth (Karin is off a year but the month matches) and arrival dates. Mathilda's findagrave record for her death in San Jose, 1959 has her exact 7 Sep 76 birthdate. The only reason it shows up is that she married a Peter Olsen. Thoughts?
If so, we need to find Peter Olsen in Sweden. He immigrated in 1890.
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Hi David, I'll reply by email since we should not keep posting in this thread which should be devoted to Kristianstads parish. Eventually the moderator will move the posts though you can also start posting questions in the appropriate parish for Blekinge Län.
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I believe everything on here has been answered as good as it needs to be by separate communication. I have a new question that I am posting to the Mjällby board. Thanks.
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Söker information om Bleckslagare Carl Christian Westergren född enligt senare husförhörslängder 1758 i Träne.
1790 dyker han upp i Kristianstad som gesell till Bleckslagare Brehmer(i mantalslängderna).Finns kvar där till 1801 då han flyttar till Lund.
1790-10-06 vigd med Ingrid Weberg i Vittskövle. De får två barn i Kristianstad Helena 1791 och Gunilla 1794.
1799-05-11 är han änkling och vigs(i Kristanstad) med Magnil Elersdotter. De får dotter Maria Cecilia i Kristanstad 1801.
Vad jag undrar är var Carl Christian fanns före 1790, kan inte se honom i mantalslängderna i varken Kristianstad, Vittskövle eller Träne.
Dessutom finns inte hustrun Ingrid Webergs död med i boken för Kristianstad, inte heller dottern Gunillas födsel.
Har någon sett till dessa namn i någon församling är jag tacksam för tips!
Katarina
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Oscar Jorö, född Jonasson född 18840218, mormorsfar, vill gärna veta mer om han!
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Hittade denne man i Sveriges dödbok 1901-2013, men jag kan inte se att han har någon anknytning till Kristianstad. Finns det någon anledning till att du lagt frågan under Kristianstad när han föddes och dog i nordvästra Skåne?
18840218-411
Jorö, Karl Birger Oskar
Rektorsgtan 4
Död 19/7 1965.
Kyrkobokförd i Helsingborgs Maria, Helsingborgs kn (Malmöhus län, Skåne).
Född 18/2 1884 i Norra Vram (Malmöhus län, Skåne).
Gift man (5/9 1936).
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Motsvarande folkbokföringsförsamling(ar) 1/1 2014:
Helsingborgs Maria, Helsingborgs kn (Skåne län, Skåne)
Filborna, Helsingborgs kn (Skåne län, Skåne)
Födelseförsamling i källan:
N.Vram (Malmöhus län)
Källor:
DB, FS / DOR 65
Tydligen hette han inte Jonasson, utan använde patronymikon (faderns förnamn) enligt folkräkningen 1900:
Andreasson, Carl Birger Oscar
Smedlärling
f. 1884 i Norra Vram (Malmöhus län, Skåne)
Pojke, ensam i familjen
Smedjan
Bjuv (Malmöhus län, Skåne)
Födelseort i källan: Norra Vram, Malmöhus län
Här är familjen i folkräkningen 1890. De bodde då på Allmänningen i Norra Vram:
Jonasson, Andreas 1851 Far, gruvarbetare, född i Markaryd
Jönsdotter, Emma Charlotta 1856 Mor, född i Västra Sönnarslöv
(Barn), Ida Charlotta 1881 Barn, född i Norra Vram
(Barn), Carl Birger Oskar 1884 Barn