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Särskilda ämnen & övrigt => Discussions in English => General questions => Ämnet startat av: Jay Hagfeldt skrivet 2020-01-07, 19:30
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Hi,
I believe I've found my ancestor's family on Household records from Fryksände parish 1730-1738 on ArkivDigital.
But I'm having a difficult time determining names and where the family members end.
What I think I understand is that Jan Halstensson's wife is Ingiard? and their children are:
Jöns Jonsson
Jon Jonsson
Halsten Jonsson
Marit Jonsdotter
but from that point on, I'm not able to tell if his family members continue or end.
If some one could help me with the names and understand the family relationships I would be greatly appreciative.
Regards.
Jay Hagfeldt
I'm not sure how to insert an image into this post, so I added this link.
Fryksände (S) AI:3 (1730-1738) Image 17 / Page 25 (AID: v10893.b17.s25 (http://www.arkivdigital.se/aid/show/v10893.b17.s25), NAD: SE/VA/13131 (https://sok.riksarkivet.se/?postid=Arkis+{f2c44cfa-0a52-4742-b94b-e4d623db366a}&s=Balder))
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Hi Jay!
The family consist of
Father Jon Halstensson
His wife Ingial,
Their son Halsten Jonsson
His wife Marit
Farmhand (dräng) Jöns Jonsson
Farmhand Jon ??
I believe that Håkan Halstensson is the brother of Jon H
Look at Fryksände (S) AI:4 (1741-1749) Bild 34 / sid 59 (AID: v10894.b34.s59, NAD: SE/VA/13131)
Maybe you already know that Jon Halstensson died April 2 1741 at the age of 72 years in Melmark and was buried June 12 [Fryksände (S) CI:2 (1733-1749) Bild 153 / sid 293 (AID: v6470.b153.s293, NAD: SE/VA/13131)]
Per
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The fathers name is Jon, not Jan. The wife is spelled Ingiahl. The two who are noted as Dr = Dräng might still be their sons, if they are old enough to be eligible for marriage, to find out you have to locate their birth records. And they can be just farmhands, happening to have a father with the same name. Halsten is for sure a son, Marit his wife.
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Hi again!
Jon's wife Ingial, with newer spelling Ingerd/Ingegerd died 1760 Feb 17 at the age of 74 and was buried Feb 24 [Fryksände (S) FI:1 (1749-1807) Bild 22 / sid 37 (AID: v6489.b22.s37, NAD: SE/VA/13131)].
In AI:6a is said she was born 1683, but at this time the level of arithmetics was not always so high!
Per
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Hi,
The wifes name is here Ingiehl (https://sv.geneanet.org/fonds/individus/?go=1&nom=SWENSDTR&prenom=Ingiehl&size=50).
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Thank you Leif, Per, and Anti Poika.
I'm pretty sure this is the right family.
My records indicate that Jon Halstensson's first name is Jan, but the household record does indicate his first name is spelled Jon.
There is a birth record of Jon, son of Jan Halstensson and Ingiard Ericksdotter born 15 Dec 1707 at the Mellmark farm.
Fryksände (S) CI:1 (1707-1732) Image 11 / Page 13 (AID: v6469.b11.s13 (http://www.arkivdigital.se/aid/show/v6469.b11.s13), NAD: SE/VA/13131 (https://sok.riksarkivet.se/?postid=Arkis+{f2c44cfa-0a52-4742-b94b-e4d623db366a}&s=Balder))
There is also a record of Halsten, son of Jon Halstensson and Ingia? Ericsdotter born 9 Aug 1711 at Mellmark farm.
Fryksände (S) CI:1 (1707-1732) Image 11 / Page 13 (AID: v6469.b11.s13 (http://www.arkivdigital.se/aid/show/v6469.b11.s13), NAD: SE/VA/13131 (https://sok.riksarkivet.se/?postid=Arkis+{f2c44cfa-0a52-4742-b94b-e4d623db366a}&s=Balder))
Both would be of marrying age during the time of the household record 1730 to 1738.
Jöns may also be a son born earlier than 1707, but the Fryksände records start in 1707, so there wouldn't be a record of his birth if this is true.
There were 4 other children in this marriage:
Marit f. 1714
Oluf f. 1717
Britta f. 1720
Erick f. 1723
but none of them are listed on the household record (1730-1738).
I can't find this family in earlier household records which is puzzling.
All of the birth records show they were born in Mellmark, so I think they would have been permanent residents.
Is it possible the parish priest could have missed this family annually? Later household records show Halsten's last name as Hämälainen.
I think this indicates that Jan or Jon Halstensson was Finnish. Would the name Jan be more common among Finnish families?
Thank you all for your help.
Jay
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Nothing earlier, do you know the pair is in Fryksände (S) AI:2 (1711-1719) Bild 19 / sid 29 (AID: v10892.b19.s29, NAD: SE/VA/13131). Jon Halsten and Ingiehl hustru. Children were probably not listed until after "konfirmation"
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Hi Leif,
Do you know if listing the children after the confirmation was a common practice during that time period?
Thanks for all your help.
Jay
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Hi Per,
I wasn't aware of Jon Haltsensson's death date, nor of his wife's. Thanks so much. Will look up their records.
Can you tell me your reasoning why you believe Håkan was the brother of Jon Halstensson?
Regards.
Jay
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If you check other families in AI:2 and AI:3 you see a few son or daughter but not very many. Therefore I guess that they are old enough but still at home, while younger children are not listed at all. And that is what you have to do to see how they made in that parish at that time, there are no general rules.
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Thanks, Leif.
Great insight.
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Well I found out why at least 3 of the children are not listed on the Household record (1730-1738).
Karin, Britta, and Oluf died between 1st and 4th of July 1723.
It had to have been a bitter time for the parents.
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Yes and lots of children died from April to August that year, I wonder what illness it was, the record don't say, maybe cholera.
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Hello, Jay!
I am a direkt decendant of Jon Hallstensson. I am curious. Have you gotten any further in your research?